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Is anyone else noticing a bunch of sequential talkgroups in the 45xxx range on the G site, mostly from radio unit ID# 52803? The TG numbers just increment with a few transmissions each. Sounds like a bus or rail supervisor. I never hear the other side of the conversation. Maybe MTA?MetroNorth? I just don't understand why the plethora of TG numbers.

The buses do tons of private calls...52803 is probably a console or control station for them and they are direct/private calling all the busses 45xxx Unitrunker shows then all the time
 

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@cg you are right. they are private calls - CT Transit Stamford. It seems my log above from Trunk-Recorder does not distinguish between TG/private grants. Sorry for the confusion.

l looked deeper into a Unitrunker log which distinguishes between TG and private voice grants.

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6/26/2019 12:03:25 PM,GrantUser,45008,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:03:28 PM,GrantUser,52803,45008,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:03:34 PM,GrantUser,45008,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:11:44 PM,GrantUser,45712,52803,13765,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:11:48 PM,GrantUser,52803,45712,13765,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:11:53 PM,GrantUser,45712,52803,13765,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:11:58 PM,GrantGroup,52803,5010,5468,4,P25P1,277
6/26/2019 12:15:34 PM,GrantUser,45712,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:15:40 PM,GrantUser,52803,45712,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:15:43 PM,GrantUser,45712,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:16:17 PM,GrantUser,45701,52803,13765,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:16:21 PM,GrantUser,52803,45701,13765,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:17:20 PM,GrantUser,45008,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:17:23 PM,GrantUser,52803,45008,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:17:26 PM,GrantUser,45008,52803,13764,53,P25P2,277
6/26/2019 12:17:30 PM,GrantUser,52803,45008,13764,53,P25P2,277
 

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The buses do tons of private calls...52803 is probably a console or control station for them and they are direct/private calling all the busses 45xxx Unitrunker shows then all the time


Got it, thanks. Wonder why CTT New Haven buses converse on the published TG's and not private - from what I've heard.
 

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I believe Troop F Legacy 4.1 Simulcast is off as well but cannot confirm as it was a bit too far away.

I can confirm it's off. I'm in southern Middletown, there's nothing on any of the 6 frequencies in the database for the SmartZone Troop F site.
 

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Just submitted a new channel I found on Troop A Simulcast as well. 769.08125 LCN 01-1132 (However the old Legacy SmartZone II site for Troop A is still active with all frequencies in use as far as I can tell.. just a lot of deny's being reported no voice.)

Monitored F and L sites as well for a while, no changes. There's still tons of old 800mhz channels that were part of the old system that have yet to be reused.
 

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This is a list of the frequencies I had traffic on yesterday.(From Middletown)

I don't totally trust the database as it stands.

View attachment 72731
Control frequencies are good which is all that matters for me for my SDS100/200. My older HP II doesn't do CC follow though so it needs the full list.
You also may want to segment those frequencies out to show what one's you've seen at what sites in Unitrunker there.

We still need someone to find Site 37 and Site 38. I just got a new RTL-SDR, Remtronix REM-820S antenna, and a LNA Pre-Amp dedicated to tracking changes on the system. If weather holds tomorrow, there's a chance I may make a trip to Troop B territory and find one of them at least.
 

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The frequency that comes up as Standalone Site 37 is licensed at the Old Lyme PD. Since it is a Neighbor of Troop F Simulcast, it is likely that 37 is at OLPD Station.

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The frequency that comes up as Standalone Site 37 is licensed at the Old Lyme PD. Since it is a Neighbor of Troop F Simulcast, it is likely that 37 is at OLPD Station.

chris
Oh neat. I just submitted it as "Site 37 Old Lyme". I did hear it last week, but didn't run DSD+ or Unitrunker on it yet. Makes sense.

I also Submitted Site 38. It's either Sharon or Canaan. I listed to B today directly with DSD+ and Unitrunker and basically confirmed it wasn't Skiff Mountain or Waramaug. It's way more North than those since I didn't get it. What's funny is there's no FCC entry for this, other than it's a national P25 Trunked CC for interop as a deployable trunked interop system.
 

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I also Submitted Site 38. It's either Sharon or Canaan. I listed to B today directly with DSD+ and Unitrunker and basically confirmed it wasn't Skiff Mountain or Waramaug. It's way more North than those since I didn't get it.

for the old system there was a site on a power transmission tower near the intersection of Rts 63 and 126......I'm not sure if it is still there
 

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Often, the fill in sites are set up for a very small footprint. You may need to be within a couple miles of the tower (or less)

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I'm in Waterford and cant seem to grab site 37 using 853.050, is that the proper CC frequency ?
I got it in the Westbrook area on 95 from my SDS100. The FCC License shows it smack dab center of Old Lyme at 294 Shore Rd on a 23ft tower. Low and behold Google Streetview... RST Office in Old Lyme. Take a trip down the road with a laptop and you'd get it. There's a gas station and mini mart within eyesight you cant sit in to track it with DSD+ or Unitrunker. I did the same at the top of a 1,100ft hill in Woodbury yesterday and got Troop A, B, L, G, I and H control channels from up there. I could almost get F, enough for it to recognize P25 on occasion but not decode.

That's in a fairly low flat area, not on any type of a hill like the other towers. My bet it's low wattage as well maybe 30watts or less to just get supplemental town coverage.

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I got it in the Westbrook area on 95 from my SDS100. The FCC License shows it smack dab center of Old Lyme at 294 Shore Rd on a 23ft tower. Low and behold Google Streetview... RST Office in Old Lyme. Take a trip down the road with a laptop and you'd get it. There's a gas station and mini mart within eyesight you cant sit in to track it with DSD+ or Unitrunker. I did the same at the top of a 1,100ft hill in Woodbury yesterday and got Troop A, B, L, G, I and H control channels from up there. I could almost get F, enough for it to recognize P25 on occasion but not decode.

That's in a fairly low flat area, not on any type of a hill like the other towers. My bet it's low wattage as well maybe 30watts or less to just get supplemental town coverage.

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It provides coverage for the beach areas, especially Point O' Woods which is a hole for radio communications to/from Westbrook. Kind of surprised a 23 foot tower miles away from Point O' Woods is even that much help; wonder what the wattage is on it. If they really wanted to expand coverage, they could have rented space on the cell towers OLFD and OLEMS use for their UHF repeaters that patch 33.96.
 

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Confirmed that Site 38 is Sharon
774.51875 CC
769.73125 SCC
HOWEVER, the frequencies are licensed as temporary fixed statewide. So I would expect the original channels to be used at some point. The state is currently waiting for a waiver to be approved for Waramaug. They both are licensed for the same frequencies for the fill in sites. If I wanted to be sure not to miss anything if I was in the Sharon area, I might put all 5 in as Site 38.
859.9375
857.2375
855.2125

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Plymouth is one of my favorite monitoring spots for West Central CT. Unfortunately, there is a large cell tower near the Dunkin Donuts that hurts reception right there. I was able to run DSDPlus on Troops A, B, C, D, F, G, H, I, & L from there (also Suffolk Cty 700 & 800). When you get so much to monitor, you cannot sit as long on each site so you don't get all the voice channels that running for several hours might get you.

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Confirmed that Site 38 is Sharon
774.51875 CC
769.73125 SCC
HOWEVER, the frequencies are licensed as temporary fixed statewide. So I would expect the original channels to be used at some point. The state is currently waiting for a waiver to be approved for Waramaug. They both are licensed for the same frequencies for the fill in sites. If I wanted to be sure not to miss anything if I was in the Sharon area, I might put all 5 in as Site 38.
859.9375
857.2375
855.2125

chris
Nice!! Did you happen to catch the site NAC? And did you submit this to the database yet? I'm assuming just 2 channels from lack of scan time?
I submitted the other day and w1kne came back saying the same thing about the frequencies. They seem to be licensed the same way the old ERV Mobile IR site as statewide interops. w1kne did say though if it came back with NAC 3A9 he would add it as the Sharon site.

It might be best to list this is "ERV Mobile IR / Sharon" Site 38 for now.

Where did you capture this from? Anywhere closer than Sharon itself? (Same spot in Plymouth?)

Plymouth is one of my favorite monitoring spots for West Central CT. Unfortunately, there is a large cell tower near the Dunkin Donuts that hurts reception right there. I was able to run DSDPlus on Troops A, B, C, D, F, G, H, I, & L from there (also Suffolk Cty 700 & 800). When you get so much to monitor, you cannot sit as long on each site so you don't get all the voice channels that running for several hours might get you.

chris
I hear you. That spot on Grassy Hill / Good Hill in Roxbury/Woodbury was nice, but I only got about 5-10 minutes per site. I now however have two spare RTL-SDR V3's an two REM-820S 700-800mhz antennas along with a linear amplifier for them. Lets me scan two at once. I even made a little batch script to start DSD+ with both tuners and a selection to tune to any of the site's control channels. From Home I can get L, I, and A at least and can scan those for a long time.
 

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@cg What's neat with Unitrunker, with two SDR's I can do several sites at the same time actually with multiple VFO's. The CC's just have to be within 2mhz of each other. I got one doing 773/774MHz here and another doing 859MHz. I may pick up a third....

This is inside at my place of work in Oxford, not even mounting antennas near the window. Troop I has a site on a hill between Oxford/Naugy/BeaconFalls that's not even a mile from me.

I could pipe the audio to multiple DSD+ instances. However I found Unitrunker doesn't feed audio using VAC's to DSD+ as well as the TCP link does with FMP24...

Either way, good way to monitor MANY sizes from one laptop all at the same time!

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Also, one other note. I found the sites using TDMA (Phase II) Channels, notibley Site I... those frequencies are being uses in both PII and PI mode. For 773.28125 MHz I get LCN 01-1804 for Phase I TalkGroups on it. For Phase II targroups, mostly CTT traffic, I get LCN 03-1804 and 03-1805, assuming 03-1804 is TimeSlot1 and 03-1805 is TimeSlot2.
 
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