Everything NYPD encryption.

[richee2000]

I like the idea of broadcastify streams with a time delay like other cities have done. It probably wont happen but it would be a middle ground.

NYPD seems to suggest they do not want their communications available to the public whatsoever, due to "Public Safety".

 

[Danny37]

NYPD seems to suggest they do not want their communications available to the public whatsoever, due to "Public Safety".

From what was being said in the article, only 9 major media outlets will have access (which is probably why they're not reporting the story). The rest can go kick rocks. 30 minutes & 15 minutes is alot of time. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

 

[n2nov]

NYPD seems to suggest they do not want their communications available to the public whatsoever, due to "Public Safety".

They are fostering an environment where they don't trust the public and the public will increasingly not trust them.

 

[richee2000]

From what was being said in the article, only 9 major media outlets will have access (which is probably why they're not reporting the story). The rest can go kick rocks. 30 minutes & 15 minutes is alot of time. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

They are fostering an environment where they don't trust the public and the public will increasingly not trust them.

huge mistake, in light of the deteriorating realtionship between the public and the NYPD. Both sides of the political isle currently do not trust the current NY City Administration, NYPD political appointments, and Criminal Justice System in NYC.... This will only make things worse.

 

[ten13]

They are fostering an environment where they don't trust the public and the public will increasingly not trust them.

Anyone who happened to listen to various NYPD frequencies during the 2020 Riots knows exactly why the NYPD wants...and needs...to go encrypted: false "Assist Officer" calls, false calls of new riot conditions at other end of precincts and boroughs, chronic "keying up" of radios and dead carriers, at times mandating the announcement by superior officers to have everyone 'switch' to another channel (which not everyone heard, causing a breakdown of the command structure, etc.), not to mention just random yelling and screaming of cop-hating rants on the frequencies from those in possession of CCRs.

For the NYPD to say that they would NOT go encrypted would be the height of irresponsibility as a police agency.

With that said, I personally don't think that they will go full-time encryption on all frequencies, probably not on the precinct level, anyway. I'm sure they will have a bank of encrypted precinct channels ("Zones") on the radios to be switched to when the sh*t hits the fan somewhere, in order to placate the encryption naysayers.

 

[richee2000]

Anyone who happened to listen to various NYPD frequencies during the 2020 Riots knows exactly why the NYPD wants...and needs...to go encrypted: false "Assist Officer" calls, false calls of new riot conditions at other end of precincts and boroughs, chronic "keying up" of radios and dead carriers, at times mandating the announcement by superior officers to have everyone 'switch' to another channel (which not everyone heard, causing a breakdown of the command structure, etc.), not to mention just random yelling and screaming of cop-hating rants on the frequencies from those in possession of CCRs.

For the NYPD to say that they would NOT go encrypted would be the height of irresponsibility as a police agency.

With that said, I personally don't think that they will go full-time encryption on all frequencies, probably not on the precinct level, anyway. I'm sure they will have a bank of encrypted precinct channels ("Zones") on the radios to be switched to when the sh*t hits the fan somewhere, in order to placate the encryption naysayers.

Nothing wrong with "E" on sensitive Tac, Command, Citywide, etc.....the kind you are talking about..... The objection is Dispatch Precinct channels..... and, from what we are seeing, precincts are starting the change to E.

 

[flagship2023]

I’ve also read on other posts that nypd keeps a stockpile of older radios like sabers for use during large emergencies. This will effectively render all of those radios useless right?

 

[Danny37]

I’ve also read on other posts that nypd keeps a stockpile of older radios like sabers for use during large emergencies. This will effectively render all of those radios useless right?

I think they might have some unencrypted UTAC frequencies in cases like that. Or have an open InterOp. Those sabers have probably been crushed years ago since its been EOL for more than a decade.

 

[mmckenna]

I’ve also read on other posts that nypd keeps a stockpile of older radios like sabers for use during large emergencies. This will effectively render all of those radios useless right?

The DHS has specified that most of the NIFOG channels (which is what they'd likely be using) are not permitted to run encryption. The radios are still useful, if they've been properly maintained. I'd be concerned about Sabers and their batteries.

 

[ff026]

I’ve also read on other posts that nypd keeps a stockpile of older radios like sabers for use during large emergencies. This will effectively render all of those radios useless right?

Sabers have been crushed for about 10 years. Every UMOS is assigned their own radio. The THV’s only carry a handful of radios these days.

 

[APX8000]

Anyone who happened to listen to various NYPD frequencies during the 2020 Riots knows exactly why the NYPD wants...and needs...to go encrypted: false "Assist Officer" calls, false calls of new riot conditions at other end of precincts and boroughs, chronic "keying up" of radios and dead carriers, at times mandating the announcement by superior officers to have everyone 'switch' to another channel (which not everyone heard, causing a breakdown of the command structure, etc.), not to mention just random yelling and screaming of cop-hating rants on the frequencies from those in possession of CCRs.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up. That and all the crime being highlighted by the same news media that will ***** they want access. What they failed to realize was they were their own demise....crime affects tourism, big businesses staying, etc. and decreased tourism and jobs leaving means less $$$. So, cut off access and you get an instant decline in numbers.

I disagree with your assessment that the precincts will remain unencrypted. They are all going ENC.

 

[Danny37]

I disagree with your assessment that the precincts will remain unencrypted. They are all going ENC.

Agreed, having them change zones and channels will be a huge ask when SHTF. If done via the console where E can be switch on and off by the dispatcher, very small possibility but I doubt it.

 

[ff026]

Agreed, having them change zones and channels will be a huge ask when SHTF. If done via the console where E can be switch on and off by the dispatcher, very small possibility but I doubt it.

The encryption is mode slaved.

 

[GTR8000]

If done via the console where E can be switch on and off by the dispatcher, very small possibility but I doubt it.

Zero possibility. As @ff026 stated, clear/secure is strapped per personality in the codeplug; it's not selectable either through a switch/button on the radio or by the dispatcher.

 

[SCFDCOMM]

This won't stop those who really want to listen, digital modes have a major vulnerability, If the radio detects a bad quality control channel, it falls backs to regular digital non encrypted so that the communications can still hold, Knowing this all one needs to do if near a cop car in constant communications with control channel, All you need to know is the frequencies for your area and use a Hackrf sdr to transmit *noise* on the side bands, This creates a semi interference zone that can go out about 100 meters or so, The police does not notice a loss of communication quality, This is weak signal and won't wipe out the control channel but is just enough to locally make their radios digital encryption mode to off for the duration of the conversation as the system detects possible high packet loss and goes to fail safe mode, the channel is in the clear, So all you need to do is listen in locally with another rtl sdr dongle and just decode the digital mode and you hear the conversation.

Lol, NO, that’s Not how that works

 

[RadioDitch]

A lot of this conversation is pointless. The policy has been made, it is being implemented. Too bad so sad. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, wanna, hope to. This dead horse has beat so many times it's officially composting with daisies growing out of it. It is what it is. Run for office or ascend the chain of command if you don't like it. And the debate over encryption and it's form of implementation, versus the factual discussion of a system/agency undergoing active change, is against forum rules, isn't it? So how long does this topic need to go in circles?

Forgive my impulsive need to try to be a voice of reason and logic. But can we get back to observe and report and knowledge sharing before the admins lock this? (And rightfully so if they did...)

 

[richee2000]

This story was my original post on September 28th 2022. It featured a NYPD spokesman that said:

 

[RadioDitch]

This story was my original post on September 28th 2022. It featured a NYPD spokesman that said:

This has been addressed. See these posts for clarification:

 

[GTR8000]

And the debate over encryption and it's form of implementation, versus the discussion of a system/agency undergoing active change, is against forum rules, isn't it?

Common misconception. Here is the official policy as posted by @AK9R

Defund Encryption

Don't get caught up in the Politics and social media hoopla. Their are new requirements in place that require RECORDS channels to be encrypted because of Privacy concerns. Additionally SWAT teams use encrypted channels for good reasons!

forums.radioreference.com

For those too lazy to click the link, the text is as follows:

Discussing encrypted radio communications is not a forbidden topic in the RadioReference forums. What we frown upon are endless arguments linking encryption with live streaming. Those sorts of conversations usually involve multiple posts, sometimes get heated, and usually don't resolve anything. That's why we have this thread on the Off Topic Wireless board in the Tavern. Oh, and you can dispense with the "E" euphemism. We know you mean "encryption" and it's not a banned word.

 

[RadioDitch]

Common misconception. Here is the official policy as posted by @AK9R

Defund Encryption

Don't get caught up in the Politics and social media hoopla. Their are new requirements in place that require RECORDS channels to be encrypted because of Privacy concerns. Additionally SWAT teams use encrypted channels for good reasons!

forums.radioreference.com

For those too lazy to click the link, the text is as follows:

I stand corrected. And yes, I clicked the link....cause you know, knowledge is power. I think my point is still relevant though. This horse is so dead it's topsoil. Back to the discussion of facts and findings....