Goosetown/Triangle Communications Tier 3 System

u2brent · Nov 11, 2023

pro92b said:
On site 131 the only voice path is slot 2 of the control channel. Only Goosetown is active so far.

If the band plan holds then
454.600000 LCN 369
451.625000 LCN 130
463.725000 LCN 1099
454.16875 is on a 6.25 kHz step so the calculation changes

Thank You! A plain straight answer in English. Avoiding the weeds at all cost.

seagravebuff60 · Nov 11, 2023

If and when the LCNs are verified, I would recommend making a submission to the database

blueseas · Nov 11, 2023

GTR8000, if I may.. this is from a post I found which you posted back in 2019..

BCD436HP/BCD536HP: - Does LCN Finder work on DMR systems?

Does LCN Finder work on DMR Tier 3 systems? If so, where can you see the found LCN's? I want to check them against what I already have. FWIW, I looked in the .pdf owner's manual for the BCD436HP, and "Analyze" and "LCN Finder" aren't even mentioned.

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Revision of my original post. This is the correct formula to use for Tier III systems to determine the RRDB/Uniden LCN from the DSD+ Ch number (This only applies to Tier III and Capacity Max systems; it does not apply to other DMR type systems such as Cap+ or Con+).

If DSDPlus shows an odd Ch # for a TIII system, then LCN = (DSDPlus Ch - 1) / 2 | DSDPlus Ch 319 - 1 = 318, divided by 2 = 159
If DSDPlus shows an even Ch # for a TIII system, then LCN = (DSDPlus Ch - 2) / 2 | DSDPlus Ch 320 - 2 = 318, divided by 2 = 159

I went ahead and plugged this formula into the data that comes up on DSD+ for the four sites that I receive traffic for. Not to confuse anyone, but there are actually 7 sites which come up in the system I am receiving. I am only able to see 4 of them however.

Here are the LCN's arrived at via this formula..

Site 193, YORK, LCN 369
Site 192, RED LION, LCN 1214
Site 194, REESERS SUMMIT, LCN 131
Site 198, LANCASTER (PENN TWP), LCN 1099

At this time I am unable corroborate this with LCN finder, as it isn't coming up with anything (no real traffic to speak of).

blueseas · Nov 15, 2023

New Site online.. shows L6-25.6 (of course it's System 5, Site isn't 25.6, but a 19x, I assume..) 462.150 (TriangleComm) LCN 973.

Where did ya find the Site numbers (192,193,194, 198 etc.) ? Been looking for that data. Thanks.

GTR8000 · Nov 15, 2023

25.6 = 197 Hanover, York County, WPLY936

seagravebuff60 · Nov 15, 2023

blueseas said:
Where did ya find the Site numbers (192,193,194, 198 etc.) ? Been looking for that data. Thanks.

SDR Trunk and Uniden display the correct system ID and site numbers. At least for the NY Sites, so I'm assuming its true for the others.

blueseas · Nov 15, 2023

Thank you both, appreciate the info.

GTR8000 · Nov 15, 2023

To "translate" from DSD+'s incorrect site numbering to the actual site numbers...

Start at 1.1, which = Site 0, then go up to 1.8 which = Site 7. Now repeat that pattern with 2.1-2.8 (Sites 8-15), 3.1-3.8 (Sites 16-23), and so on.

u2brent · Nov 16, 2023

blueseas said:
New Site online.. shows L6-25.6 (of course it's System 5, Site isn't 25.6, but a 19x, I assume..) 462.150 (TriangleComm) LCN 973.

Where did ya find the Site numbers (192,193,194, 198 etc.) ? Been looking for that data. Thanks.

Would that happen to be DMR Color Code 8

blueseas · Nov 17, 2023

U2brent .. It is CC8

blueseas · Nov 17, 2023

GTR8000.. You mentioned back in Post #17, that some DMR systems are reaching EOL. MADRN being one of them (for years now, I think you said). Is it possible we are seeing the upgrade to Tier 3 for MADRN and that is what this all is ? Seems to fit, the sites are right.

GTR8000 · Nov 17, 2023

blueseas said:
GTR8000.. You mentioned back in Post #17, that some DMR systems are reaching EOL. MADRN being one of them (for years now, I think you said). Is it possible we are seeing the upgrade to Tier 3 for MADRN and that is what this all is ? Seems to fit, the sites are right.

As I stated in that post:

Mid-Atlantic is a Connect Plus system, which has been EOL (End of Life) for years now. Everyone is moving to some form of Tier 3 now, either Capacity Max (Motorola's replacement for Connect Plus), or a standard Tier 3 system like Selex. Goosetown and Triangle have settled on Selex, and this is exactly what you're seeing. The early stages of the replacements for OneVoice and Mid-Atlantic.

MSI stopped supplying Connect Plus hardware and options between 2017-2019, so it is now end-of-life. Support/repair of the Connect Plus line ends around 2025-2026 based on availability of parts, however I'm hearing that it's already troublesome getting some hardware repaired.

RFI-EMI-GUY · Nov 17, 2023

blueseas said:
Here is some further information I have gathered from the FCC website.

It appears that these 4 frequencies (there maybe more) are associated with the OET EXPERIMENTAL LICENSING SYSTEM. Callsign WV9XWA, licensed to XCOM Labs out of Lebanon County, PA. It is set to expire on 2-1-24. I was unable to gather more info, due to maintenance going on with the FCC site. That area of PA is close enough to give me the signals I am receiving here in Manchester, MD. I am going to assume that there are several tower sites that are associated with this "experiment".

Paul E. Jacobs

COVINGTON, La., August 29, 2023--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Globalstar, Inc. (NYSE American: GSAT) ("Globalstar") today announced that Paul E. Jacobs, Ph. D., founder and CEO of XCOM Labs and former CEO and Executive Chairman of Qualcomm, has been appointed CEO of Globalstar, effective immediately.Aug 29, 2023

mtindor · Nov 17, 2023

Clearly at least one person (and maybe more) who are "in the know" have posted exactly what is going on here, and whose frequencies are being used, and why. I don't know why anyone ( ahem blueseas ) insists on going down the rabbit hole to pull up experimental licenses and crap. Somebody needs to face the fact that others ( such as @GTR8000 ) know a helluva lot more about what is going on. One should just be happy about that fact and move on with sleuthing sites.

seagravebuff60 · Nov 17, 2023

It has been said multiple times what is actually going on here. We are still in the very early stages.

u2brent · Nov 24, 2023

Rawlinsville is on the air.. Site 203

FCC Callsign WPFU958 (Triangle Communications Inc)

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u2brent · Nov 25, 2023

With DSD+ System & Sites files populated, Now to figure out the LCN..

pro92b · Nov 25, 2023

Here is a summation of the data in this thread so far. Neighbor lists are very helpful in determining new sites and should be logged for each site. Neighbors may change as the system build continues so occasional confirmation of the data is essential.

Site L6-25.1 (192) Red Lion/York PA WPVH421/WQOT822
454.168750 LSN 2429 LCN 1214 DCC 3
base 446.58125, step 0.00625

Site L6-25.2 (193) York/York PA WPVH212/WQKQ261
454.600000 LSN 739 LCN 369 DCC 4
Neighbors 25.1 25.3 25.4 25.6 25.7 26.4

Site L6-25.3 (194) Reesers Summit/York PA WPLY937
451.625000 LSN 263 LCN 131 DCC 7

Site L6-25.6 (197) Hanover/York PA WPLY936
462.1500 LSN 1947 LCN 973 DCC 8

Site L6-25.7 (198) Penn Twp/Lancaster PA WNST294
463.725000 LSN 2199 LCN 1099 DCC 2

Site L6-26.4 (203) Rawlinsville/Lancaster PA WPFU958
463.575 LSN 2175 LCN 1087 DCC 11
Neighbors 25.1 25.2 25.3 25.6 25.7

seagravebuff60 · Nov 25, 2023

Ive Created the following wiki Pages for this system:

u2brent · Nov 26, 2023

Here you go.

25.4 Ch 717??
25.5 Ch 2145??

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