Itinerant frequency for personal use?

[Floridarailfanning]

Some of the coordinatos post their rates on line. It is probably minimal as they dont any analysis.

I was asking if the FCC charges for modification to Itinerate licenses. I self filed the Itinerate license in question.

 

[mmckenna]

Without totally derailing this thread, do you know what the fee is for adding channels to an existing itinerant license? I want to add a few more channels but I don't want to file a whole new application.

Itinerant frequencies do not require coordination, so you'd do a license modification and pay your $70.00.

 

[Floridarailfanning]

Itinerant frequencies do not require coordination, so you'd do a license modification and pay your $70.00.

Thanks, that's what I wondered.

 

[Binger511]

An itinerant license is probably the way I’m going to go. How do I pay the fcc? I assume it’s not PayPal or anything like that.

 

[bill4long]

An itinerant license is probably the way I’m going to go. How do I pay the fcc? I assume it’s not PayPal or anything like that.

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsEntry/licManager/login.jsp

Create an account, then file and pay fees there.

 

[n1das]

I recall 25 or so years ago that 151.6250 MHz was the most used and abused VHF itinerant freqs. Don't know much it is used today. I'm surprised 151.6250 MHz wasn't included in MURS when MURS was created. The 2 other popular freqs at the time were 154.5700 and 154.6000 and those did become part of MURS.

 

[bill4long]

I recall 25 or so years ago that 151.6250 MHz was the most used and abused VHF itinerant freqs.

Ole "Red Dot." I suspect one reason for this is that some radios came with the "Dot" frequencies pre-programmed. Red was on the first channel on some of these radios.

 

[mmckenna]

151.625 is pretty popular around me. I hear quite a bit of traffic on it, but not as much as 464.500 and 464.550. I can often hear 5 or 6 different users on those channels at the same time.

 

[n1das]

If I were going to get licensed on an itinerant freq, I would license it on UHF. I don't really need to get licensed for a UHF itinerant freq at all because I already have a small fleet of Motorola DTR radios on 900 MHz for local on-site simplex type use. They are my high quality digital replacement for GMRS/FRS for local on-site simplex type use with family and friends.

 

[bill4long]

If I were going to get licensed on an itinerant freq, I would license it on UHF

You don't have to choose just one frequency. You can put several itinerant frequencies on your application, over multiple bands, and multiple modes. (FM and digital for example.)

 

[speedway_navigator]

I've seen some pretty lame excuses for license qualifiers in the past.

I'd like to put
"Applicant is in the business of minding his own business"
and see what happens

I guess selling something on Ebay or Craig's list could constitute a resale business.

 

[rural_radio]

A couple years ago, I applied for an itinerant license with all (okay, maybe just a lot) of the VHF low, VHF high, and UHF frequencies that were available without professional coordination. I basically just copied off of some of the other licenses I saw that were VERY permissive. I used the same FRN as my amateur license. The FCC denied it saying that I didn't provide adequate justification for requesting so many frequencies and emission types.

Rather than try to come up with a flimsy justification, I just made a new FRN in my business's name and asked for a few VHF, and a few UHF frequencies with only narrow FM voice and one digital voice emission. That one sailed right through. Even paying for two application fees, I still only paid a little more than what it would have cost to get a single simplex frequency licensed through a coordinator.

 

[n9upc]

Have a question along the lines of this topic also. I am looking at some job sites radios (the ones on the UHF preprogrammed freqs).

Besides the 'classic' 12 or so UHF itinerants in those radios are the others able to be licensed without a coordinator? I know they run about 2 watts (or maybe 4 watts on a few) but I am wondering if I can file them a MOI without coordination.

 

[rural_radio]

There are several frequencies set aside for itinerant operation. These are the ones that don't require coordination, but you need to understand that itinerant operation means you can't use them in fixed locations.

The easiest way to get a list of them is to check the business industrial pool itself, and look for the footnotes that denote that:

47 CFR § 90.35 - Industrial/Business Pool.

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[n9upc]

There are several frequencies set aside for itinerant operation. These are the ones that don't require coordination, but you need to understand that itinerant operation means you can't use them in fixed locations.

The easiest way to get a list of them is to check the business industrial pool itself, and look for the footnotes that denote that:

47 CFR § 90.35 - Industrial/Business Pool.

www.law.cornell.edu

I understand about the itinerant but I have heard conflicting talk about the other UHF business frequencies. Some have said that they are able to be licensed without coordination due to being an ERP of 6 watts for mobile base and 2 watts for handheld usage.

Even attempting to call and talk to the FCC about them was meet with boiler plate responses and not a yes or no answer. I have heard and seen some radio rental companies licensing all the UHF business channels (56 in total) nationwide as MOI or MO6I. But, if the average frequency cord. business charges a heavy fee (around $500 for about 6 UHF MO) I find it hard to believe that some companies are paying that change.

 

[bill4long]

but you need to understand that itinerant operation means you can't use them in fixed locations.

I am not challenging this statement. But where does Part 90 say this? Thanks.

 

[alcahuete]

I have heard and seen some radio rental companies licensing all the UHF business channels (56 in total) nationwide as MOI or MO6I.

That's because there are that many UHF itinerant frequencies. MOI is itinerant.

To answer your other question, anything outside of the designated itinerant frequencies have to go through a frequency coordinator. They are for fixed locations and ensure that users don't interfere with each other.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

I am not challenging this statement. But where does Part 90 say this? Thanks.

In the numerous footnotes after the frequency tables. Next to the frequency you will see a numerical reference (nn) and the corresponding "nn" describes limitations and permitted use. A lot of itinerents also have permanent allocations at geographic locations.

 

[mmckenna]

I understand about the itinerant but I have heard conflicting talk about the other UHF business frequencies. Some have said that they are able to be licensed without coordination due to being an ERP of 6 watts for mobile base and 2 watts for handheld usage.

Not that I'm aware of, at least not in any recent version of the rules. FCC rules do change occasionally, so it's important to check with the latest published version of the rules. If someone tells you that, ask them to give you the FCC Part 90 rules section that shows it.

Even attempting to call and talk to the FCC about them was meet with boiler plate responses and not a yes or no answer. I have heard and seen some radio rental companies licensing all the UHF business channels (56 in total) nationwide as MOI or MO6I. But, if the average frequency cord. business charges a heavy fee (around $500 for about 6 UHF MO) I find it hard to believe that some companies are paying that change.

The FCC toll free number is useless in most cases. The subject matter is way to complex to handle over a phone call.

And there's a difference between Itinerant and not needing coordination. They don't necessarily mean the same thing.

 

[mmckenna]

I understand about the itinerant but I have heard conflicting talk about the other UHF business frequencies. Some have said that they are able to be licensed without coordination due to being an ERP of 6 watts for mobile base and 2 watts for handheld usage.

And I'm sure this is wrong. I just spent a few weeks chasing some interference to one of my repeaters on UHF, and it was a 2 watt telemetry radio. It -did- require coordination and if they had followed the rules, we would not have had that issue (or me spending way too much taxpayers money on chasing it down).