Kent County Simulcast

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drdispatch

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and the lower case e means partial encription and who knows what that means ?
Example: The City of Kalamazoo has a public safety department. Police talkgroups are encrypted, fire talkgroups are not, but the patrol cars have the fire talkgroup programmed in them. So an officer forgets to switch off the encryption when they go to transmit on the fire TG, (or the radio is programmed to transmit secure on all their talkgroups) and you can't hear them, but you can hear the dispatcher and the fire rigs, because they're in the clear. Since all the radios have the encryption key loaded in them, they can all hear each other. So the fire TG can be listed as "De".
Another example is when State Police are dispatched by the county central dispatch on an encrypted TG, you'll hear the troopers but you won't hear dispatch or the deputies.
 

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what i was refering to earlier is that when they decided to go statewide digital years ago and they started the instalation i dont know what county was first but they had a problem with the agencys that chose to encrypt there broadcast and they couldn't get all the towers timing to sync so they were all broadcasting at the same time but the agencys that didnt encrypt had no problems so rather then spending more money to fix the prob they chiose to not encrypt and that was there solution and in the article i read it said most agencies more than likely will not choose to encrypt due to that problem even though they are approved to encrypt so IDK we will see
I'm sure that problem was fixed in an update somewhere along the way. Calhoun County has been encrypted from the day they switched over in 2009, and has had no problems.
 

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There are many many agencies running encryption on simulcast sites... it's not a problem.

When they switch over, they will just switch over... I highly doubt they will run the 2 systems patched together. It's a rip off the bandaid type scenario... just do it!
 

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When you have a police radio with encryption loaded and a clear fire tag in the same radio, the radio doesn’t apply the encryption to the fire tag as long as the radio is programmed correctly. The fire tag should be programmed as CLEAR in the trunking personality. The user should never have to worry about the encryption being applied to a non encrypted tag. There are very few circumstances that applies (state I and J event channels)

Encryption in simulcasts is not a problem in fact the user talking about syncing has nothing to do with a tag being secure or clear. The sync is done by GPS signal and appropriate delays in timing are set at sites as needed.
 

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Well the simulcast went online for a little bit after 3pm today. However Ottawa County had issues with 70FNORTH not working properly and before it was fixed by radio service the Kent simulcast went offline. Perhaps related somehow? But I wouldn't think that was likely.

When the simulcast was online it slowly started picking up talkgroups that I normally hear over the GR tower although it was quite scratchy/digital.

Also the 13666 talkgroup i've heard a few times is comcenter for testing. On this I pretty much only hear a fax tone and then its silent until the next.

Will have to see how tomorrows transition goes with existing users.
 

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I've had quite a bit of radio traffic on the simulcast but most of it is wildcards from talk groups from out of Kent County. I have logged several hits of 13666 with at least 4 radio id's that I think are Kent County. 10414483, 10414505, 10417102, and 10417092. In the last couple of days I've also picked up 13666 from the ADA tower with 4 more 1041**** radio id's. I've also logged the following tlkgrps & radio id's from the simulcast in the last couple of days. 13528 - 10413324 & 10413320. 13720 - 11413088 & 11413070. 13724 - 11413418. None of these are in my latest RR Database. I have also picked up quite a bit of traffic from 13748, - 41GRFDMAIN using radio id 3000029. That id must be the dispatch console. All other 13748 radio id's are N/A.
 

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Site 47 is back up after the snafu but it's only Cannonsburg. I'm thinking tomorrow when Belknap is done it will be a 2 site simulcast. When Cedar Springs is done, the rest of sites should be able to come up too. I think the three existing sites are being done first due to frequency re-use.
 

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How do you know it is only cannonsburg? and not all the new towers including the one integrated today but not GR and ada?

Yes those 1041xxxx radios are kent county. I'm thinking that 13528 might be a fire paging talkgroup since it is close to the other fire TGIDs. The GR fire talkgroup is dispatch side only right now.

I'm also noticing that AIR LZ 1 now has the same problem as ottawa 70FNORTH did earlier today. Its receiving data but nothing is coming over. its stuck with the 769.20625 frequency, which I don't see anywhere else in the database
 

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Before the Ottawa thing, it was full scale like when it was up weeks ago. Now it comes in about as well as Cannonsburg (Ada) always has for me (not very well). The southern towers are for sure not lit up.
 

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When you have a police radio with encryption loaded and a clear fire tag in the same radio, the radio doesn’t apply the encryption to the fire tag as long as the radio is programmed correctly. The fire tag should be programmed as CLEAR in the trunking personality. The user should never have to worry about the encryption being applied to a non encrypted tag. There are very few circumstances that applies (state I and J event channels)
Operative phrase being: "...as long as the radio is programmed correctly." When I had my PRO-96, I would listen to Kalamazoo and on the fire dispatch TG, Dispatch would talk in the clear, fire rigs would talk in the clear, and the patrol cars would talk in encrypted gobble-de-gook. They obviously could hear each other.

The radios can also be programmed with encryption "strapped" on the encrypted-only TG's so the user doesn't have to remember to flip the Clear/Secure switch. That's how Calhoun County had all of our radios set up. But again, it's all on the person(s) doing the programming.
 

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I have started a call integration for the Kent County Simulcast:
 

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I tried your link above, appears your scanning for anything and I was seeing D6FAT that is not allowed.
Definitely not 62HOSP, -> no hospital-ER comms.
Lets not be doing that.

Points that pertain here, there are others in the link below.
Feed Providers are not allowed to broadcast:

* Narcotics / CID / Investigations or other tactical operations
* Dedicated channels or talkgroups for Ambulance to Hospital Communications
Feed Provider Terms of Service - What can and cannot be broadcast
 

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Well the simulcast went online for a little bit after 3pm today. However Ottawa County had issues with 70FNORTH not working properly and before it was fixed by radio service the Kent simulcast went offline. Perhaps related somehow? But I wouldn't think that was likely.

When the simulcast was online it slowly started picking up talkgroups that I normally hear over the GR tower although it was quite scratchy/digital.

Also the 13666 talkgroup i've heard a few times is comcenter for testing. On this I pretty much only hear a fax tone and then its silent until the next.

Will have to see how tomorrows transition goes with existing users.
Comm Center is what the Grand Rapids Airport uses as their " Dispatch". Based on some discussions heard on 13666 this is most likely for Operations at Gerald R Ford Airport in Grand Rapids.
 

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I tried your link above, appears your scanning for anything and I was seeing D6FAT that is not allowed.
Definitely not 62HOSP, -> no hospital-ER comms.
Lets not be doing that.

Points that pertain here, there are others in the link below.

Feed Provider Terms of Service - What can and cannot be broadcast

Hi Ronaldski,

I thought the same thing when I first started doing calls quite a few month ago, calls ingestion takes ALL (and I mean ALL) Traffic across the tower and puts it on calls. Calls platform filters who can see what depending on their role in RR, and since you are an admin, I believe that is how you are able to see restricted TGs. This is per the email with support when I thought the same thing:

You can send anything and everything you want to us and we'll filter to the public as appropriate for the TOS. That will allow you to have access to everything for your own uses.

EDIT: Link to Radio Reference explanation on calls:

From my understanding Admins and Feed Providers have access to everything, where a general user does not, as this is the error when you try to find the talk groups, when not in a feed provider account trying to access TGs not allowed per the TOS
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afera15: keep doing what you are doing. No changes required to your calls system

Ronaldski: calls providers and admins have access to all talkgroups. Regular users are blocked from talkgroups on Broadcastify Calls that aren't terms of service allowed. That is a benefit and incentive to calls providers - they will always get access anything they send up to us.
 

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Hearing some pager testing going on this morning although the IDs are not listed.

13260 was the paging talkgroup couldn't tell what the department was
23169 saw this one key up a few days ago
24165 on here they where talking about the location the guy was in the building and if the page was received or not

Maybe Kent county will be switching sooner than expected?
 
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