Official LATIE Thread

[kylev]

Encryption will be on some talkgroups... But it will not be systemwide. Louisiana is not like Florida.. Thank God!

This is hopefully the answer to my BIGGEST question. Are you certain? because I dont want to drop 500 dollar in a new scanner if I am not going to be able to pick them up. I am in lafayette and listen everynight to the lafayette PD SO and FIRE. I am addicted and hope that with the new 700 meg system they wont take away my LFT PD SO and FIRE.... :>

 

[kylev]

Out Of Area Scanning

Is the new 700 meg LATIE system going to be like the state system in the since that if I am scanning a talkgroup in new orleans but I am located in lafayette I will be able to hear the new orleans talkgroup?

From what I understand on the old state system if anyone with a radio turned on is traveling in lafayette from new orleans the system automaticly knows that and retransmits that talkgroup in the lafayette area for the person traveling in lafayette...

Hope that makes since.

Thanks

 

[loumaag]

This is hopefully the answer to my BIGGEST question. Are you certain? because I dont want to drop 500 dollar in a new scanner if I am not going to be able to pick them up. I am in lafayette and listen everynight to the lafayette PD SO and FIRE. I am addicted and hope that with the new 700 meg system they wont take away my LFT PD SO and FIRE.... :>

Well, somewhere here in the LA forum, it seems to me I remember seeing that all of Lafayette PD would be encrypted on LATIE. Can't remember which thread, but that seems to be what I recall.

 

[gpswx4cster]

The database shows all of the Lafayette public safety services as being digitally encyrpted. As far as I know they are the only ones on the system (so far) that are encyrpted.

Gary Shuford

 

[Pimpala03]

My fire dept was issued an EF Johnson radio with the current 800 Type II system in it and what I'm assuming to be LATIE. When I try to talk or tune to the LATIE channels it says no site assigned or something to the effect.

 

[kylev]

The database shows all of the Lafayette public safety services as being digitally encyrpted. As far as I know they are the only ones on the system (so far) that are encyrpted.

Gary Shuford

GREAT

Is there anyway to decrypt it? Im glad I didnt jump to ordering a new 396 last night.

THanks

 

[gpswx4cster]

Nope

Gary Shuford

 

[action]

My fire dept was issued an EF Johnson radio with the current 800 Type II system in it and what I'm assuming to be LATIE. When I try to talk or tune to the LATIE channels it says no site assigned or something to the effect.

Noticing that your location is in North Louisiana, I suspect that your radio is not communicating with LATIE System because no towers are online in that area as of yet and that is the reason for the message.

 

[balibago]

Lafayette Consolidated Government TRS

I am a big listener of the Lafayette TRS. The radio system has over 100 talkgroups and I've heard it has 3000 radios on it. The current system has a number of secure talkgroups but I haven't heard them in use in many years of listening. Possibly they are reserved for some serious type of emergency. Lafayette is migrating to the LATIE system soon and apparently someone with inside information has posted the talkgroups they will be using on the LATIE system. All the police,sheriff,fire,and OEP talkgroups are supposed to be encrypted.Am I going to hear the best system in my area go dead? Are these new talkgroups going to be reserved like the old secure talkgroups? When will this all happen? Balibago

 

[kylev]

I am a big listener of the Lafayette TRS. The radio system has over 100 talkgroups and I've heard it has 3000 radios on it. The current system has a number of secure talkgroups but I haven't heard them in use in many years of listening. Possibly they are reserved for some serious type of emergency. Lafayette is migrating to the LATIE system soon and apparently someone with inside information has posted the talkgroups they will be using on the LATIE system. All the police,sheriff,fire,and OEP talkgroups are supposed to be encrypted.Am I going to hear the best system in my area go dead? Are these new talkgroups going to be reserved like the old secure talkgroups? When will this all happen? Balibago

Yeah, I, like you am very unhappy about the change to secure encrypted talkgroups on the new LATIE system. I am told that not all talkgroups on the new system are going to be encrypted however all of the "lafayette" talkgroups will be (Police, Fire and Sheriff). I listen to the existing system every night and that will not be an option any longer. Hopefully one day someone will come out with a decrypter.:> I do work at a tower site that the new LATIE system is being installed at. It’s kind of cool to see what the radios actually look like. HMM maybe I will go unplug the encrypter thingy box.. LOL

I guess lafayette will be like St Martin parish. I can't listen to St Martin Parish either because it is encrypted somehow.

PS What part of Lafayette are you in? I live in breaux bridge.

Thanks

 

[kylev]

The database shows all of the Lafayette public safety services as being digitally encyrpted. As far as I know they are the only ones on the system (so far) that are encyrpted.

Gary Shuford

Has anyone actually listened to see if they are encrypted yet?

 

[Landman]

21 years ago when the 800 system was put online I was working for Lafayette SO. I was told by a lieutenant there that they tried to get all the radios with securenet but the parish council would not approve the funds for the extra $500 per radio that it would cost. As a result the SO got a couple of dozen securenet radios and the Laf PD got a few too but it stopped there. Since the rest of the radios were not secure capable then all the transmissions had to be in the clear so that all the radios could talk to each other. Today the SO's secure radios are used by the jail. If there is one glimmer of hope it may lie in the unwillingness of the Lafayette city/parish council to fund all the the radios with whatever hardware and/or software they need to be encrypted. So far each agency only has a handful of new secure equipped radios as the acquisition process is slow in Lafayette for whatever reason and it will take a few years to get all the required radios.

I have been listening to 700 with a PSR 500 which will let encrypted traffic through to the speaker but 99% of what I hear is St. Martin SO and Vermilion SO which are both unencrypted. I haven't heard any traffic on the Lafayette talkgroups yet.

 

[balibago]

OK guys now when do we expect all this to happen. I have a 996t and would like to add a PSR-500.

 

[loumaag]

Site # Info Needed

We have received a submission of a new site just south of Breaux Bridge but do not have the site number. If anyone in the area could try out the following frequencies and see if a CCh is on the air, please report it and the site number.

764.19375
764.44375
764.69375
764.94375
765.19375
765.44375
774.03125

 

[kevins669]

We have received a submission of a new site just south of Breaux Bridge but do not have the site number. If anyone in the area could try out the following frequencies and see if a CCh is on the air, please report it and the site number.

South of BB I would assume to be the new Parks, La. site... I think it is on Citadel's tower.

-- Kevin

 

[loumaag]

South of BB I would assume to be the new Parks, La. site... I think it is on Citadel's tower.

-- Kevin

Yes, but I still need a site number. :lol:

 

[SOUTH300]

Lafayette

All of the talkgroups on the Lafayette Portion of the system are using ADP Software encryption. It does not require any extra hardware on the radio, it is flashed with the software. We are only using the Lafayette Talkgroups at this time for testing. Every radio that we currently have on the new system is programmed with ADP. All of the transmissions will be encrypted 100% of the time. The radios will not allow you to transmit in the clear, it will give an error message.

I tested my 996 with the Lafayette talkgroups, and the scanner will stop on the talkgroup momentarily, but no audio is heard.

The switchover will not occur until all the dispatch centers are equipped with the new radio equipment. Max 5 years, but sooner if the funding is there. The State EF Johnson radios are not even programmed with the Lafayette Talkgroups because of the encryption.

Sorry, I know it is not what you want to hear, but it will not be like the old days with the current 800 system with Securenet. You will no longer be able to hear Lafayette Parish once the switch is made.

St. Martin Parish is not using encryption. I hear them fine on the 700 system with the talkgroups in the database.

 

[Landman]

Maaann, with all the articles that I have read about latie stressing interopability this and interopability that, I am surprised that the state is letting them use radios on their system that will do encryption only. It's like it defeats the purpose of what the system was originally intended for if other law enforcement agencies can't communicate with them. If a natural disaster hits Lafayette and requires the help of the surrounding agencies then they will realize that they made a big mistake for the sake of satisfying their paranoias. They will be worse off than the personnel responding to 9-11 or Katrina.Yeah I know we are not New York or New Orleans but not even Bozeman, Montana is safe anymore. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. I could rant on and on about this and yeah I'm pissed about it but it still doesn't change the fact that they are making a mistake if they can't communicate with outside agencies and they would be better off if they realized that now instead of when it's too late.

 

[SOUTH300]

Relax

Landman,

Relax, the LATIE system is designed for interoperability. All of the Lafayette radios have all of the mutual aid channels in them just like everyone else. The Lafayette radios can talk to anyone else on the system via the mutual aid talkgroups. And vice versa, any one else can talk to the Lafayette radios via the Mutual aid talkgroups. When I was referring to 100% full time encryption, I was referring to the Lafayette talkgroups only. When a disaster happens, either in Lafayette or anywhere else, all we do is switch channels to the assigned Mutual Aid talkgroup and we talk. No encryption is allowed on the Mutual Aid talkgroups, only on department specific talkgroups if it is desired. This does not affect coordination or interoperability in any way.

There are strict guidelines in place for programming. Lafayette may be the only agency using encryption at this time, but as more agencies switch, I am sure there will be others that will use ADP also.

 

[kevins669]

Maaann, with all the articles that I have read about latie stressing interopability this and interopability that, I am surprised that the state is letting them use radios on their system that will do encryption only. It's like it defeats the purpose of what the system was originally intended for if other law enforcement agencies can't communicate with them. If a natural disaster hits Lafayette and requires the help of the surrounding agencies then they will realize that they made a big mistake for the sake of satisfying their paranoias. They will be worse off than the personnel responding to 9-11 or Katrina.Yeah I know we are not New York or New Orleans but not even Bozeman, Montana is safe anymore. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it. I could rant on and on about this and yeah I'm pissed about it but it still doesn't change the fact that they are making a mistake if they can't communicate with outside agencies and they would be better off if they realized that now instead of when it's too late.

The fact that those talkgroups are encryption has little bearing on interoperability on LATIE.

The LATIE system provides for, as a requirement, complete statewide and regional interop. Every radio *MUST* be programmed with:

All 4 Statewide Talkgroups
All 10 State Interop Talkgroups
All Coord/Talk Talkgroups (3) for EVERY region (totaling 27 TGs)
The 4 Parishwide Interop channels for the region they are a member for.

Law Enforcement get an additional 2 per region for the 9 Coord Groups.

So, for a Law Enforcement agency in Region 1 (smallest # of Parishes), that totals 75 Interop talkgroups.

Region 8 (largest # of Parishes) would have 107 Interop groups.

You can see that for an incident in any region, there are more than enough ways to get in touch with a member agency. If a natural disaster hits in Lafayette, every radio in the state could respond (that would be one hell of a disaster) and would have at a minimum 41 groups, 59 for Law enforcement.

-- Kevin