this afternoon, lots of traffic on TG 10012 on Slot 1, RID of 301 p25 voice ENC: PT0
TG 10132 with RID of 1, 2, 3 also heard today with ENC
also RID's of 1200021 - 1200035 have been heard
also RID's of 1200021 - 1200035 have been heard
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jeffm77
Member
So, when will the Allegheny county testing start? Sucks that the entire system will be encrypted.
Nobody can say right now that the entire system will be encrypted. Encryption is an agency option. At this point, we can say that the PSP activity is encrypted.
The public, and others in the public safety community, could certainly make their case for why it may not be the best option for PSP to go 100% encrypted. But, there is a good chance it won't sway anyone's opinion. However, if folks politely point out the extra hurdles and complications that 100% encryption adds to basic interoperability with other outside entities, the fact that most other state radio systems and state police operations do not run encryption on their routine dispatch traffic, and that most scanner owners are not criminals, you never know. I can tell you that the folks in charge have a real burr implanted in the posterior over online streaming. It comes up constantly in planning meetings and the PSP management keep talking about it to other agencies. This comes from the Frein manhunt. The PSP brass at the time, as well as the Pike Co director were seriously irate about online audio streaming that contained traffic from the manhunt. Granted, it was often ancillary traffic, but it was traffic nonetheless. I recall hearing comms on the Monroe Co stream because there were times when Monroe units were involved and traffic was either being broadcast directly on their channels or patches were in place (I don't recall now). Either way, it has made a wrinkle in the ol' gray matter for a number of people with influence in the process. I have sat in presentations on multiple occasions now where it has been mentioned by both county and state folks.
With all that said, I am all for PSP encrypting tac channels, CERT channels, narcotics channels, etc. Sure, it is interesting to listen, but if they could be convinced to do all those but leave routine dispatch open, it would be a compromise.
Septa3371CSX1
Member
That is pretty much what most of us on here agree on for all law enforcement wishing to use encryption. If we can get PSP to do that and also vow not to stream the comms it would be a win.
I was in Harrisburg for a bit earlier in the week and got hits on Unitrunker from five units that were listed as clear (11300xx series). I did not hear any actual voice traffic to match the key ups, but they were all on the same talkgroup (11715). So, keep checking. I won't be in range again for another few weeks, most likely.
As there is now a talk group listed ( 10132) why does the system not show in the Sentinel database?
It is well hidden! Look under Dauphin or Warren county, County Systems, Pennsylvania Statewide Radio Network.
Thanks, that did it.
The RR page doesn't mention encryption, but I assume all talkgroups are so far?
I wouldn't say the system is hidden. The system is listed under the counties in which it is active. As it gets rolled out, it will be added to more counties. Eventually, it will be statewide.
As far as the encryption goes, the one listed talkgroup is listed as encrypted.
As far as the encryption goes, the one listed talkgroup is listed as encrypted.
It is not the RR data base but the way it is presented in Sentinel. I use ARC536 and have no problem finding it.
royldean
Member
Line item 437, 13 million bucks:
http://www.budget.pa.gov/Publicatio... Proposed Budget/2017-18 Web Tracking Run.pdf
http://www.budget.pa.gov/Publicatio... Proposed Budget/2017-18 Web Tracking Run.pdf
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Nice - our new P25 Phase II system in Erie County is costing $25 million. Maybe the state already spent the $13 million in Warren County alone?
royldean
Member
I thought it was low, myself. But I searched the entire document for "radio" and that's all I could find. I am ASSuming that this is typical government "planning" in that they hide the actual cost by budgeting for way, way less, and then just keep tacking onto the bill after the fact.
Gentleman,
Don't forget a lot of the equipment is already in place. Myself and several other list members have been monitoring repeaters that have been on the air for almost a year and all they do is ID every 30 minutes or so. Also mobile radios have already been placed in service. I'm not saying that 13 million is all that is needed to complete the project, I'm just saying money has already been spent towards it.
I know everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't get why everyone is against encryption. I completely support it on the LE side of things. Correct me if I'm wrong, if the field user radio and console have the right encryption keys, and they patch across with another agency, the encryption factor doesn't matter because it will pass the audio through the patched channels clearly.
I don't foresee people having to use this option a lot but I could be wrong.
I don't foresee people having to use this option a lot but I could be wrong.
royldean
Member
We are coming up on almost 90 years of unencrypted police communication... and in that time we have seen no evidence of pervasive abuse by non-police interlopers.
What we HAVE seen is massive use of recording devices has shed light on police misconduct at an alarming rate. The internet has aided in the dissemination of those recordings.
The Philando Castile story is a CLASSIC example. Police say:
A) He was pulled over because of a faulty tail light
B) He was reaching for his gun
What we learned, from the unencrypted police dispatch audio (that I believe was obtained from a RR user) is that no, he was NOT pulled over for a faulty tail light. He was racially profiled because he had a "wide set nose", and the tail light excuse was used solely for PC to pull him over. And now he is dead.
And the police SAID he was reaching for his gun (after announcing that he was legally carrying).
So, yeah, the police are going to do EVERYTHING they can to avoid being caught with their pants down.... AGAIN, and encryption is one of those things.....