Rensselaer co P25 system

[Com-Tech51H8]

Does anyone know what Troy's plan is once the county starts their migration? Are they keeping their own P25 system or will they move over to the county system? Doesn't seem like they have done much with it in several years.

The school districts are on the p25 system so I'm sure that they are keeping the system. As for pd they will have a patch or link to the county system as far as the fire side the department will more than likely stay on uhf unless forced to switch over.

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[Com-Tech51H8]

Brief update From the Radio Group
The VHF paging system testing is continuing and underway Till 11/6/17
The new system goes live 11/13/17 AT 0800 the old system will be available for use for a limited time after the switch

 

[DaveNF2G]

TG 401 is County Highway. Associated RIDS heard: 7612, 7620, 7623 so far.

RID 7908 appears to belong to ECC.

On the TG identified as "Saratoga County Fire Interop" I heard testing with an Engine 54 w/no RID (patched?) and RIDs 3509 and 3511 looking for interference around a smoke tower.

Pager testing heard on 158.865 with 131.8 Hz CTCSS.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

to kind of make sense of this mess ive attached how the tac channels are broken down.



TALK GROUP ID: TALK GROUP NAME:
101 TAC 1 Batt 1
102 TAC 2 Batt 2
103 TAC 3 Batt 3
104 TAC 4 Batt 4
105 TAC 5 Batt 5
106 TAC 6 EGB
107 TAC 7 Batt 7
108 TAC 8 OPS
109 TAC 9 ADMIN/FP
110 TAC 10 EMS
112 XXXX
113 XXXX
116 XXXX
117 XXXX
126 XXXX
149 XXXX
152 XXXX
153 XXXX

401 Highway Maintance Main Dispatch
1000 Wells System Techs
1002 XXXX
1003 Emergency TG (Possibly. ID'D through another Source)
1004 XXXX
1009 XXXX

 

[Thunderknight]

Pager testing heard on 158.865 with 131.8 Hz CTCSS.

That looks to be the old input for 155.655...did you hear the paging on .655 at the same time? Because 158.865 is not licensed for anything except control stations and mobiles.

 

[vikingegfd]

here are some more confirmed talkgroups: (portable next to my scanner)
zone 2
111 Tac20 ems
112 tac21 B1
113 tac22 B2
114 tac23 B3
115 tac24 B4
116 tac25 B5
117 tac26 B6
118 tac27 B7
119 tac28 ops8
120 tac29 FP ADM
zone 3
121 tac30 ems
122 tac31 B1
123 tac32 B2
124 tac33 B3
125 tac34 B4
126 tac35 B5
127 tac36 B6
128 tac37 B7
129 tac38 ops8
130 tac29 FP ADM

Now all we need are TG for Main dispatch and dispatch 2.

 

[DaveNF2G]

That looks to be the old input for 155.655...did you hear the paging on .655 at the same time? Because 158.865 is not licensed for anything except control stations and mobiles.

I can't receive .655 in Rensselaer. I probably got the input because it's at the jail, which is line of sight to me. Paging through a repeater was unexpected.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

county wide tg is 1003

 

[sav1350]

TG 1000 is Fire Dispatch
TG 1002 is Dispatch 2
TG 1007 is Alert Channel (I believe this is the Announcement Group)

Those were confirmed by some testing I heard the other day where the channel name was given. The following I believe are correct but haven't confirmed yet...

TG 1001 EMS Dispatch
TG 1004 East Greenbush Dispatch
TG 1009 Emergency Button Activation

 

[sdunigan518]

Can confirm 1009 is Emergency Activation TG. Heard them testing that a while back and that was all on TG 1009.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

Still missing the Following Talk Groups :

EMS Dispatch
East Greenbush Dispatch
Rensselaer City Dispatch
BPS Staff
HAZMAT DECON
EMERGENCY MGT

 

[DaveNF2G]

here are some more confirmed talkgroups: (portable next to my scanner)
zone 2
111 Tac20 ems
112 tac21 B1
113 tac22 B2
114 tac23 B3
115 tac24 B4
116 tac25 B5
117 tac26 B6
118 tac27 B7
119 tac28 ops8
120 tac29 FP ADM
zone 3
121 tac30 ems
122 tac31 B1
123 tac32 B2
124 tac33 B3
125 tac34 B4
126 tac35 B5
127 tac36 B6
128 tac37 B7
129 tac38 ops8
130 tac29 FP ADM

Now all we need are TG for Main dispatch and dispatch 2.

The above listing does not make sense. Why have two or three different talkgroups for the same users? I can see where zoned radios might have different assortments of common talkgroups, but using actually different TGIDs means that the units will not be able to talk to each other without patching/multiselecting, which defeats the purpose of having multiple talkgroups if it's done all the time.

I have been watching and recording the system all week. The only TAC talkgroups observed have been in what, in the above listing, would probably be considered to be "Zone 1" - 101 through 110.

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

The above listing does not make sense. Why have two or three different talkgroups for the same users? I can see where zoned radios might have different assortments of common talkgroups, but using actually different TGIDs means that the units will not be able to talk to each other without patching/multiselecting, which defeats the purpose of having multiple talkgroups if it's done all the time.

I have been watching and recording the system all week. The only TAC talkgroups observed have been in what, in the above listing, would probably be considered to be "Zone 1" - 101 through 110.

Dave,

Hope this helps you understand a little bit easier as to how the system is laid out. I understand where your coming from and I read this and was still confused but made a little more sense. ***See Attachment***

 

[DaveNF2G]

I see they are setting up for the same problems they already have with the old MultiNet system.

A gazillion talkgroups but only a handful of actual radio channels. Up to 5 talkgroups allowed for any single incident, which means one incident will tie up nearly the entire system.

Evidently the primary classifications of the system's talkgroups this time will be functional rather than geographic, but the physical limitations will be the same.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Maybe someone from Rensselaer County should watch and listen to the existing system during a working fire.

5 channels = 5 active talkgroups

TG1 - Dispatcher transmitting alerts for the incident, other incidents and mutual aid.
TG2 - Another dispatcher talking to responding units.
TG3 - Fire officer calling dispatch repeatedly.
TG4 - EMS unit calling dispatch repeatedly.
TG5 - Maybe units responding to a different call, or maybe Highway units are getting some airtime.

 

[Kmjojo05]

I didn’t realize it was active yet. Is the info on RR accurate or are you all monitoring something else?


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[Com-Tech51H8]

I didn’t realize it was active yet. Is the info on RR accurate or are you all monitoring something else?


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The system goes live on the 13th but we're monitoring it to get the fleet map accurate and accurate talk group info. Yes the info in the database has been confirmed.

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[Kmjojo05]

The system goes live on the 13th but we're monitoring it to get the fleet map accurate and accurate talk group info. Yes the info in the database has been confirmed.

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Thanks for the prompt response. Going to plug it in and see what I can catch. Thanks!


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[Com-Tech51H8]

a new talkgroup id has been captured tgid: 214 ( maybe Law Enforcement)

 

[Kevinbb]

My Uniden 325P2 is not locking in on the new systems control channel south of Albany near Selkirk. I certainly hope it gets better when it goes live. If its anything like the Sheriff's new P25 frequency, we're out of luck. That comes in sporadically. E Greenbush's digital bombs in over here though. I did, however, hear a siren/pager test on 155.655. I couldn't see the PL quick enough. It was either 94.8 or 98.7.