Senator Becker re-introduces law enforcement radio encryption bill (SB 719)

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That is NOT evidence. That is SPECULATION, based on your own self-inflated opinion of yourself. And really, using the dead to pimp your cause it just bad form.

PS: Where I live, all Law Enforcement and Fire Departments are ENCRYPTED. SO, you might want to think twice with your knee-jerk name calling, Mr. Scanner Hero.

I live in a remote rural two county where the scanner is almost the only source of information about wildland fires, road conditions, pursuits downed power lines, power outages, 911 service interruptions and the like. We don't have 24 hour TV news, in fact we don't have TV news at all (except a local cable news that is taped hours prior to broadcast). We have a few radio stations (5 for all of a large two county area). Those radio stations don't do real well broadcasting weather/road conditions/disaster info. Those radio stations are not provided on our cable service, so many areas of those counties don't receive any local radio at all. One of those 5 is a low power AM station that only serves one town and very little of its surrounding area. Those who own scanners and sit by them for hours at a time are often known by friends for doing so and begin to call us. They then call their friends, who call more friends etc. I often monitor local 2m ham repeaters and disseminate information, mainly to hams on the roads. I've worked both sides of most types of emergency ops and know how to stick to what I've heard and not what should be assumed by what is heard. This, in the same way I used to while enroute to an emergency, realizing that radio traffic is only one portion of the communications at/around incidents.

Given the above I would say that scanner information is essential in rural counties, especially those with very little media coverage. I would guess that per capita scanner ownership is many times higher in rural areas than in urban areas. That is because of a lack of on scene/helicopter reporting on a 16 hour per day (or more) basis.

Just a bit of advice for both of you, stick to the issues in a discussion. There is no need to attack people on a personal basis, no need to insults and name calling.
 
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Dispatch channels should be in the Clear unencrypted. If they need to comply with CADOJ and FBI/USDOJ requirements, they can utilize non-dispatch channels. This is the preferred approach anyway, as running license registration and warrant checks can tie up dispatch channels
 
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Dispatch channels should be in the Clear unencrypted. If they need to comply with CADOJ and FBI/USDOJ requirements, they can utilize non-dispatch channels. This is the preferred approach anyway, as running license registration and warrant checks can tie up dispatch channels
How about those departments that don't have a seperate talkgroup or frequency that is encrypted?. Officer needs to run somone in a hurry and does it on dispatch talkgroup. Can't tell the officer, tough you cannot run this person since our dispatch channel is not ecrypted. There is no right to listen to public safety radio transmisions for our entertainment. If an agency encrypts everything, there are a couple of ways to hear it. Get a job as a cop or a dispatcher with that agency. This bill is dead, will always be dead, never become law, oh at it is dead on arrival.
 

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Dispatch channels should be in the Clear unencrypted. If they need to comply with CADOJ and FBI/USDOJ requirements, they can utilize non-dispatch channels. This is the preferred approach anyway, as running license registration and warrant checks can tie up dispatch channels

That is certainly an option.

But it's not something that will work for every agency.
Some small agencies only have a single channel.
Some large agencies (like CHP) may only have a single channel that covers a given area.
 

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The bill is too broad and was setup to fall flat on its face from the jump. In order for a bill like this to ever pass (both houses) you need concession in the language of the bill. My proposal for a bill like this makes it so that ONLY dispatch can be monitored and WITH a minimum/maximum 5 minute delay. Compliance would be via dedicated Internet stream or unencrypted simulcast talkgroup/channel or both. Who pays for it is another matter and it seems it should be in the state's constitution and voted on by the people. With language that absolutely restricts the reversal by a law breaking, I mean law maker...

This may or may not be on-topic.

I implemented a new radio system on the Texas/Mexico border. The sheriff was talking about encryption but was hesitant to do so since so many locals monitor and assist them, but he really wanted an encrypted TG. He assumed it was all or nothing, I told him just encrypt your tac TG and that’s what they did. Dispatch in the clear and tac encrypted.

Knowledge is power.

This is EXACTLY how it should be. Chicago does this with an online stream.


And I'll just leave this here. OCFA Chief orders decryption of firefighter radios
 
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That is certainly an option.

But it's not something that will work for every agency.
Some small agencies only have a single channel.
Some large agencies (like CHP) may only have a single channel that covers a given area.

That's correct but then one has to wonder why departments even buy MDTs in the first place, ya know? Though, in my neck of the woods they seem to have more trouble with those things then they are worth.

Compliance in such a case with one channel departments could mean that department gets another channel for "data", i.e. running a DL, etc.
 

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Yes, however this is where hobbyists don't realize the cost involved.
This can be done on the same frequency/talk group. "Channel 1"=Unencrypted, "channel 2"=same frequency/talk group encrypted. When they want to broadcast some kind of restricted traffic they switch to "channel 2" then back to "channel 1". This is done ALL OVER this country with great success and little cost, especially if they are going to pay to add encryption anyway.
 

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That is certainly an option.

But it's not something that will work for every agency.
Some small agencies only have a single channel.
Some large agencies (like CHP) may only have a single channel that covers a given area.
I agree that small agencies and CHP would be the exception. But many Radio vendors are pushing encryption. OCFA is a great example. I find it impossible to justify having fire-dispatched channels encrypted.

There needs to be transparency. Look at any Newsroom or ENG/SNG Van; you will find scanners that can't wait for the public information officer to call them.
 

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This can be done on the same frequency/talk group. "Channel 1"=Unencrypted, "channel 2"=same frequency/talk group encrypted. When they want to broadcast some kind of restricted traffic they switch to "channel 2" then back to "channel 1". This is done ALL OVER this country with great success and little cost, especially if they are going to pay to add encryption anyway.

I was referring to his post about adding a second channel, as in a real second channel, but:

Yes, that is possible, but it is risky from a security standpoint and not ideal.
Also, the dispatch consoles need to be properly set up to handle that.
 

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I agree that small agencies and CHP would be the exception. But many Radio vendors are pushing encryption. OCFA is a great example. I find it impossible to justify having fire-dispatched channels encrypted.

It's easily justified by some agencies. Not all info needs to be made public. Local fire agency had an issue where a person died and before proper notifications could be done, some "person" with a scanner posted all the information to social media.

Issue wasn't so much lack of encryption, but one idiot that didn't think about what they were doing and how it would impact the family. But the fire agency shouldn't have to worry if there's some dumb@$$ listening or not. Easy to just fix the issue once and for all.

Thank you local scanner/social media guys for that.
 

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You're a feed provider?! *scratches head**
Yep. Almost 20 years across several different agencies. Why?

Ooohh! You want to tell me I'm "ruining the hobby", don't you?
Well, I have a suggestion where you can stuff that comment :)
 
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Obviously you don't live here. 4 years later and all OC Fire agencies are still encrypted in spite of Chief Fennessey "ordering" it. Had something to do with the $3.5 million cost to implement, I think. There may be news concerning that agency soon.

Really?

I count at least 23 feeds at Broadcastify from the Orange County Fire Authority.



Yep. Almost 20 years across several different agencies. Why?

Ooohh! You want to tell me I'm "ruining the hobby", don't you?
Well, I have a suggestion where you can stuff that comment :)

No, your cutesy little 16 year old Unicode charterers are in bad taste for someone that feeds and yet advocates for encryption. In other words, if everything was encrypted there would be no feeds!
 

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Come on down with a radio and see what you can hear.
The Dog Catchers. Lifeguards.
That's about it for anything from OC COMMS.

And your juvenile attempts to troll aren't getting me much riled up, sorry to tell you. If you don't like what I post, there is a really nifty IGNORE USER feature here on RR. Sorry my Unicode characters bother you, I apologize for any inconvenience or triggering it causes.
 

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Excuse me, but you said and, I quote, "all OC Fire agencies are still encrypted." I merely pointed out your obvious false claim.

Troll? Is this how you try and shut down a conversion? By accusing those of which you are? By telling people where they can "stuff it?"

You're love of encryption and your blanket statement of "all OC Fire agencies are still encrypted." is what I responded to.

I'm out.
 

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Come on down with a radio and see what you can hear.
The Dog Catchers. Lifeguards.
That's about it for anything from OC COMMS.

And your juvenile attempts to troll aren't getting me much riled up, sorry to tell you. If you don't like what I post, there is a really nifty IGNORE USER feature here on RR. Sorry my Unicode characters bother you, I apologize for any inconvenience or triggering it causes.
Hopefully, for your own happiness, you live in Costa Mesa where there are no feeds. Encrypted wonderland completely in the dark.
 
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