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The Official Thread: Live audio feeds, scanners, and... wait for it.. ENCRYPTION!
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When it comes to Broadcastify's business model? Absolutely.
Just background, my post was made to a thread that got merged into this one and is out of context when viewed as part of this thread.
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What I don't understand is, why stream if it is known that the agency will go ENC if they discover they are being streamed? Why stream at all if streaming is a big deciding factor to encrypt? It defeats the purpose, and revenue? There is no revenue in streaming if everything is encrypted.
That is the decision of those who choose to stream. The possibility of encryption usually doesn't even enter thier minds when they set up a feed.
As for part 2 of your statement, people will always pursue their revenue stream until it is fished dry.
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Be careful not to let the facts get in the way of what is interpreted as the truth. Way too much of that going on in our country right now.
I guess the theory is that there's always fire if it's not encrypted and Marine, Aviation, school buses, McDonald's drive-thrus, hospital security, ham Nets, taxis, military etc etc.
I listen to a lot of different things other than the police but I always have the police on, especially my zone where I live. To me that pulls it all together to be able to know where that lit up screaming police car racing past my house is going. After so many years of doing it, not being able to hear the police makes me feel vulnerable and leaves an empty feeling I'm not situationally aware.
What I don't understand is first of all it has been said that streaming has increased scanner sales huh? Why doesn't the scanner companies put pressure on the largest venue they advertise in? Encryption certainly isn't going to give the scanner industry longevity. They obviously are not expanding into new technology as time is running out for them as encryption spreads faster than the virus secondary to streaming.
Why are they not pushing back, why do they continue to spend money advertising on the same venue that is dooming them. That's what I don't understand.
Maybe I'm not understanding properly, that is certainly a possibility. We also have to accept it as is. This is a private business and will be run the way it is no matter what our opinions are. At least we can voice our opinion here even though it doesn't mean a damn thing.
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I also like being situationally aware, and I believe that's the intent of most scanner users. That's why scanner radios have been known to be called police scanners, because they're typically used to listen to the police. But with the increase of encryption, that intent is going away and so does the market for scanners. Then when you add streaming into the mix where the listener doesn't even need a scanner and anyone with a smartphone can listen anywhere they want, that leads to concerns of officer safety. I don't buy into the officer safety argument when the agency isn't being streamed, but if they are being streamed then I find it hard to argue against it. It just makes it so much easier for the bad guys to potentially have an advantage.
I think companies like Uniden are aware of this and are slowly and silently slipping away from the scanner market. With the unfortunate passing of UPMan, Uniden has been completely silent for the past year with Whistler looking like the only company still active in the community for right now. This is the way I see the scanner market continuing on its downward slope as encryption and LTE systems become more widely used, and with that also goes the purpose of streaming. I do hope I'm wrong, and this won't happen overnight, but I think it will eventually.
I think companies like Uniden are aware of this and are slowly and silently slipping away from the scanner market. With the unfortunate passing of UPMan, Uniden has been completely silent for the past year with Whistler looking like the only company still active in the community for right now. This is the way I see the scanner market continuing on its downward slope as encryption and LTE systems become more widely used, and with that also goes the purpose of streaming. I do hope I'm wrong, and this won't happen overnight, but I think it will eventually.
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I wasn't gonna reply to this but before this thread gets closed (like they always do) Ill post some examples of what happens when you stream live audio regardless of what service you provide. We run Harris XL Series with multi-key AES on one system, the other runs Taits and Harris Mixed in with AES encryption. The reality is it's becoming cheaper to encrypt and more common across agencies; Dance Like No One's Watching, Encrypt Like Everyone. It sucks for everyone but hey, what can you do!
Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government (P25) Trunking System, Lexington, Kentucky
Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government (P25) Trunking System Profile
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Scott County CPSCS Trunking System, Georgetown, Kentucky
Scott County CPSCS Trunking System Profile
www.radioreference.com
Apparently you didn't read the description. This is the ONLY thread where RR allows it. Hence why it is 61 pages long and several years old.
Remington12G
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Yeah I just realized that, its been a long morning. I might respond more now...
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Actually this thread is over 9 years old. It was more prominent but as time has going on and the problem has become critical and overtly apparent some comments lately have exiled this thread deep into the bowels of the tavern where we can't like each other anymore but I still like you and I would be handing out likes to the most recent posts. LOL.
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I always assume these threads get closed but as Citywide said, I didn't read the name, which to be fair I didn't.
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Franklin County Sheriff's Office, Frankfort City Police, Anderson County Sheriff's Office, Lawrenceburg Police Department, Danville City Police, Somerset Police, Mercer County Sheriff's Office, Harrodsburg Police.
I posted more than one. All of those were never streamed online to my knowledge and have gone to encryption.
I posted more than one. All of those were never streamed online to my knowledge and have gone to encryption.
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I would say so to an extent. The counties around Franklin and Anderson haven't really touched encryption and once people realize they might go to it they stop streaming it or don't start a stream at all. There is a handful of counties that only like E on Law and not every agency like EMA/OEM, Fire, EMS, etc. Franklin County, KY uses E on everything as well as Lexington (including some public works channels).
You are fortunate. Many of the areas here outside of town are being streamed and are not encrypted (yet). But I guess it's the mentality that a person would ride their stream into the ground and to hell with what anyone else thinks and that shutting it off might actually make a difference. LE doesn't need a reason to encrypt but offering it up on a silver platter makes it an easy choice.
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Ah, probably something you should have researched before blurting out. It doesn't help the cause as I'm sure many agencies have gone encrypted per pre-planned proposals regarding new Radio Systems knowing that they could be streamed even though they were not.
The correlation between streaming and encryption is well-established despite those in the deepest of denial. Even some who deny it, know the truth and their motives for denying it have nothing to do with... Truth.
Hey, the local sheriff in Bumblefk who's town still uses party lines for the phone and the dispatchers name is Sarah and she also covers the phone line isn't thinking about encryption anymore than the sheriff and his one deputy... Andy and Barney.
So you make a challenge and then immediately discount the first person who is able to answer your "unanswerable" question. Keep moving the goalposts if it's the only way to win, right? I had plenty of departments using encryption when I owned my shop in the late 80's early 90's and that was well before streaming ever existed. Made some good change on the encryption modules for the Motorola HT600/P200.
It has nothing to do with winning and my original comment was more rhetorical in nature out of frustration with the fact that I'm staring at eight expensive and mostly silent digital scanners wondering how to utilize them now that LE is (all but) gone here. I spent several of my younger years here with two friends listening to scanners who went on to become police officers (as I had also planned to) and their agencies encrypted due to streaming, and it's difficult to think that between this and with other officers who've said the same thing that it isn't the primary reason for it happening elsewhere. Undoubtedly, there will be exceptions but, again, I believe it's the exception and not the rule. Unfortunately, it would be difficult to prove either way. It's just my opinion.
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