Harris XG-100P

[BucksGuyUSA]

Coming from a guy that manages a system with several thousand of these radios, I would run far away. We have issues with the battery pogos breaking off, radios staying on the boot screen, users can wipe all of the programming with a couple of button presses, etc. Furthermore, L3Harris will not allow our maintenance shop to service the 100P. They are allowed to service all of the other Harris radios, but the 100P is considered a tactical radio, so we have to return them to NY for repair. We have several in our office that are desk queens and they suffer the same problems as the field units. L3Harris also stopped selling the intrinsically safe batteries that we use and they EOL'd the 100P. Just a POS in my book.

As a USER of one of these radios in emergency services, if I could put mine in a burlap bag with a brick and throw it into a lake I would. CONSTANT problems with things breaking, and it's far too easy to knock yourself off channel, or even into a completely different zone just by putting it into a radio pocket.
At random, it will reboot, such as when you're giving important landing zone instructions to the helicopter over your head. The battery terminals are poor-fitting. The one thing I will say is a positive is that it had enough heft to crack nuts if you get hungry.

 

[officerdave]

Thanks, guys for the input. My local EMA has a cache of about 70 XG-100s owned by the State for interops. I need to make the case to have them replaced. The XL-200Ps seem the most logical for handing out to interop agencies.

 

[rescue161]

Make sure that the system that you intend to use allows the XL-200P. I know of one very large system that has disallowed new additions of the XL-200P on their system. Current in use XL-200P radios can remain, but no new adds.

 

[BMDaug]

Make sure that the system that you intend to use allows the XL-200P. I know of one very large system that has disallowed new additions of the XL-200P on their system. Current in use XL-200P radios can remain, but no new adds.

Do you know why? Edit: Or can you say why?

-B

 

[rescue161]

Keyloading ADP keys with a KVL is the main reason. L3Harris wants users to utilize their Key Loader program, but agencies do not want to share their keys to allow users to create them with Key Manager. The agencies want to just load the ADP keys with a KVL, so the key can remain secure. The XL-200P will not allow ADP keys to be loaded with a KVL.

AES and DES keys can be loaded with a KVL. The issue at hand is ADP keys. It is also my understanding that L3Harris is working to fix the issue, so that is subject to change and they will be allowed on the system again. Until then, no more XL-200P.

 

[motorcoachdoug]

This is the system that Rescue161 is talking about and why those radios are not allowed on the system. This info is posted over on the NC Viper Form as well.
https://www.ncdps.gov/media/6752/open

 

[wa8pyr]

Keyloading ADP keys with a KVL is the main reason. L3Harris wants users to utilize their Key Loader program, but agencies do not want to share their keys to allow users to create them with Key Manager. The agencies want to just load the ADP keys with a KVL, so the key can remain secure. The XL-200P will not allow ADP keys to be loaded with a KVL.

AES and DES keys can be loaded with a KVL. The issue at hand is ADP keys. It is also my understanding that L3Harris is working to fix the issue, so that is subject to change and they will be allowed on the system again. Until then, no more XL-200P.

So, if an agency does not plan to use encryption in any way, shape or form, why are they not permitted to add an XL200P?

I might add that the problem may not necessarily be the radios; rather it's probably the KVL5000. The KVL4000 worked fine with the noted radios for a variety of functions (although I can't speak to ADP keys), but Motorola made some changes in the KVL5000 which causes it not to work for several functions such as LLA, etc.

 

[rescue161]

We only have L3Harris radios for our first responders and we were told that we can continue to utilize our existing radios, but no new XL-200P, XL-200M or XG-100M radios will be allowed until L3Harris fixes the issue. Apparently L3Harris is working to resolve the issue. We only use AES and do not use ADP at all, so it would not affect us, but the rules are the rules. Oddly enough, the XG-100P seems to be allowed. We never attempted to load any keys with a KVL as Key Loader is much easier since it uses a provisional file that is generated from the KMF, i.e., no entering keys into a KVL.

 

[wa8pyr]

We only have L3Harris radios for our first responders and we were told that we can continue to utilize our existing radios, but no new XL-200P, XL-200M or XG-100M radios will be allowed until L3Harris fixes the issue. Apparently L3Harris is working to resolve the issue. We only use AES and do not use ADP at all, so it would not affect us, but the rules are the rules. Oddly enough, the XG-100P seems to be allowed. We never attempted to load any keys with a KVL as Key Loader is much easier since it uses a provisional file that is generated from the KMF, i.e., no entering keys into a KVL.

Yeah, we use DES for everything, mainly because we have one agency which has radios from a certain /\/\anufacturer which can't be updated to take AES; not a big deal, DES works fine for what we need to do. I usually use a KVL, but for mobiles I use Key Loader as it's way easier; the KVL cable for XG mobiles connects to the accessory port on the back, and I'm not about to completely dismount a radio for that when I can use Key Loader.

Hopefully the thought of not being able to sell their current crop of radios to one of the major systems in the country will get Harris to fix the problem sooner than later; they sometimes move at the speed of molasses in winter.

 

[rescue161]

Oh, I know how slow they move. Been dealing with it for years on numerous problems.

 

[nikronzo]

well harris has never really cared about RC4, it always seems to be an afterthought with them on previous and current platforms. They have always focused on the stronger algos, id imagine that it is because they have a more DOD military-driven frame of mind when developing platforms. As for using something like KeyAdmin, its too bad it doesn't support ADP, but then again KeyAdmin was really meant for loading consoles as subscribers have always been recommended to be loaded with a KVL

 

[Sully15123]

Coming from a guy that manages a system with several thousand of these radios, I would run far away. We have issues with the battery pogos breaking off, radios staying on the boot screen, users can wipe all of the programming with a couple of button presses, etc. Furthermore, L3Harris will not allow our maintenance shop to service the 100P. They are allowed to service all of the other Harris radios, but the 100P is considered a tactical radio, so we have to return them to NY for repair. We have several in our office that are desk queens and they suffer the same problems as the field units. L3Harris also stopped selling the intrinsically safe batteries that we use and they EOL'd the 100P. Just a POS in my book.

Is there a good place to post a lot of Harris P7300s and P7100s for sale? I have a couple dozen with chargers, shoulder mics and antennas. Have old batteries too, but can’t imagine they still have life. Let me know.

 

[rescue161]

In the for sale section on this site.

 

[Sully15123]

Thanks for the reply. Should have been more clear….aware of the classifieds on this site, but curious if there is a better suited site for this type of radio. I see some of these in the forums and on the classifieds. I replaced these with a couple dozen Motorola 6 and 7000s. Just hate to just throw them away if there is a market for them, after I have them deprogrammed. That being said, what are folks doing with these? Is there a preferred use for them in the after market? Thanks again for your responses.

 

[natedawg1604]

Thanks for the reply. Should have been more clear….aware of the classifieds on this site, but curious if there is a better suited site for this type of radio. I see some of these in the forums and on the classifieds. I replaced these with a couple dozen Motorola 6 and 7000s. Just hate to just throw them away if there is a market for them, after I have them deprogrammed. That being said, what are folks doing with these? Is there a preferred use for them in the after market? Thanks again for your responses.

If they have option 39, Fleabay is probably your best best bet. If they don't have option 39 (i.e. EDACS only), I would just send them to the scrapyard.

 

[Techholder88]

Thanks for the reply. Should have been more clear….aware of the classifieds on this site, but curious if there is a better suited site for this type of radio. I see some of these in the forums and on the classifieds. I replaced these with a couple dozen Motorola 6 and 7000s. Just hate to just throw them away if there is a market for them, after I have them deprogrammed. That being said, what are folks doing with these? Is there a preferred use for them in the after market? Thanks again for your responses.

Might try some of the Harris Facebook groups or eBay. The accessories (antennas, batteries, chargers, mics) are worth some money. 7/800 radios are about $20-$50 a piece if they don’t have options 39 or 47. VHF or UHF may be worth more. Folks want the 7/800 radios for scanning purposes, VHF and UHF are good for conventional use. You’ll probably get a good amount of cash for a programming cable if you have more than one. A radio with Option 39 (p25 trunking) and 47 (Phase 2) is considered to be highly desirable on the used market right now.

 

[motorcoachdoug]

I am using 2 Harris XG-100P, Harris XG-100M with the CH100 color control head touch screen, 2 Harris XG-75 as 1 is UHF and the other is 700/800. The programming cable for the Harris XG-75 is over $200 alone as well. All of them have both phase 1 and phase 2 plus other features also and believe me I am surrounded by a ton of 700/800 system here in the DC metro plus VHF and UHF is used by West Virginia which I can pick up 5 minutes from my home also. Delaware is still smartzone but soon going to P25 , so my moto xts 5k comes in handy for that. I agree with Techholder88 if you do not have option 39, 41,42,43,44 and 47 then it is paperweight. Options 41,42,43,44 are low vhf, vhf, uhf and 700/800.