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TG 27508 Anyone noticed that Wickliffe Fire (Lake County) appears to be on a new talkgroup? I can't say that I've heard Willowick (as they used to share one) so perhaps I've missed them or it is just Wickliffe. Anyone else notice this?
Upon further review I find that TG 27508 is NOT listed in the RR database and thus I do not have it programmed. However, according to sources, Wickliffe and Willowick Pd and FD use RID's in the 4336-4337 range. I have received 344 RID hits in the fist 4 months of 2025 for this range on TG's 27500, 27548 and 27644. Markklt1 is showing hits on a unlisted TG (27508) also in the 4336-4337 range. I have no clue what 27508 is used for - FG maybe or Talkaround.
 

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I have no clue what 27508 is used for - FG maybe or Talkaround.

27508 was originally assigned to Kirtland Hills PD & Lake Metropark ranger dispatch.

Dispatch assignments have been shuffled around since the initial talkgroup layout and these agencies have moved to other TG assignments but I'm sure this TG still exists in the law dispatch zone of user radios.

If you look at the old Smartnet system you'll see how the old KHPD/Parks channel was between PC/FH PD and Madison PD's. 27508 is still between the new PC/FH PD (27507) and Madison PD's (27509) TG's.
 

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Upon further review I find that TG 27508 is NOT listed in the RR database and thus I do not have it programmed. However, according to sources, Wickliffe and Willowick Pd and FD use RID's in the 4336-4337 range. I have received 344 RID hits in the fist 4 months of 2025 for this range on TG's 27500, 27548 and 27644. Markklt1 is showing hits on a unlisted TG (27508) also in the 4336-4337 range. I have no clue what 27508 is used for - FG maybe or Talkaround.
From what I can tell in my Unitrunker logs, Wickliffe FD moved over from 27548 to 27508 on April 8th and has been there ever since.

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Ran Dispatch TG's for 18 hours on Lake County on Friday (5/17). No hits on 27508. There were hits on 27507 and 27509 but no 8.
I use Unitrunker and on Wednesday there was a lot of activity. Today only one RID-4337505 shows Joined only not actual talking. I don't normally listed to Lake because I live in Lorain County. I'll check it again in a few days.
 

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Slightly off topic but this appears to be the only active MARCS thread I could find despite starting a very long time ago.

This new MARCS IP is very frustrating. Our volunteer department can't afford $5500/radio and $25 per month. Since going to MARCS old system we all lost our radios but had some hacks that worked to allow members to still have 2 way radios. Now, we are told July 1 none of those will work. Any reasonably priced two way that won't break the bank? I'll even pay the monthly subscription if I have to out of pocket but the department can only afford to provide officers radios because of the combined radio cost plus the subscription. Our pagers are crap since going to MARCS as we have limited signal in Homerville area so we can't even rely on the pagers to go off for new calls and have to reply on wifi apps like scanner or IAmResponding to get notified of new calls which aren't automated from dispatch so some times we get notice hours or days later when the cyber world catches up. I can't be the only one frustrated with this MARCS system, especially the upcoming MARCS-IP that they're saying ONLY certified radios from Motorola will work for 2 way; not sure true or not.
 

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Slightly off topic but this appears to be the only active MARCS thread I could find despite starting a very long time ago.

This new MARCS IP is very frustrating.
especially the upcoming MARCS-IP that they're saying ONLY certified radios from Motorola will work for 2 way; not sure true or not.
MARCS-IP isn’t new any more; it’s been around for over 10 years.

The line someone fed you about only Motorola radios working is total BS. MARCS-IP is a P25 system which is standards-based, and there are radio options available from Harris, EFJohnson, Kenwood and Tait. All are lower priced than Moneyrola. All include the Link Layer Authentication option that is required after July 1.

That business about only Motorola radios working was the old system, which was replaced by MARCS-IP.

And before I retired, the monthly rate was down to $10.
 

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MARCS-IP isn’t new any more; it’s been around for over 10 years.

The line someone fed you about only Motorola radios working is total BS. MARCS-IP is a P25 system which is standards-based, and there are radio options available from Harris, EFJohnson, Kenwood and Tait. All are lower priced than Moneyrola. All include the Link Layer Authentication option that is required after July 1.

That business about only Motorola radios working was the old system, which was replaced by MARCS-IP.

And before I retired, the monthly rate was down to $10.
I hope not true! Which is the least expensive that would work two way? Is there a radio in the reasonable range where we could buy more? $5500 is just absurd and not doable. Our radio guy can program them (not sure if it's something anyone can but I have no idea how) for our dispatch and tac channels but he said that's the only one. I would be all ears if there's one under $1,000 that can still be programmed with what we need. What would I search for; I just did a quick search "two way P25" and didn't get much under 5k except what looked like toys. I'm a medical person; not a radio person. Just trying to get us back to safer and more convenient system if possible. Nobody from the state helps except just saying there's a grant to help buy the $6k radios.
We do have about $15 of the monthly covered by grant so it's costing us $10/radio but that's only if the radios were bought thru the state and who knows how long that'll be subsidized.
 

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I hope not true! Which is the least expensive that would work two way? Is there a radio in the reasonable range where we could buy more? $5500 is just absurd and not doable. Our radio guy can program them (not sure if it's something anyone can but I have no idea how) for our dispatch and tac channels but he said that's the only one. I would be all ears if there's one under $1,000 that can still be programmed with what we need. What would I search for; I just did a quick search "two way P25" and didn't get much under 5k except what looked like toys. I'm a medical person; not a radio person. Just trying to get us back to safer and more convenient system if possible. Nobody from the state helps except just saying there's a grant to help buy the $6k radios.
We do have about $15 of the monthly covered by grant so it's costing us $10/radio but that's only if the radios were bought thru the state and who knows how long that'll be subsidized.
You hope what isn’t true? That there are options other than Motorola? That the monthly rate was down to $10? Please clarify.

There’s nothing new under $1000. If I recall correctly the least expensive new radio was around $2000. There are used options out there from places like Sunny Communications; stay away from XTS/XTL-series Motorola radios, as they may not have Link Layer and you can’t get it for those radios anymore. I think the cheapest Motorola APX model is the APX900 portable, which is probably in the $1500-2000 range.

I have no idea who your radio guy is, but don’t limit yourself to a particular radio brand based on who can program them; any reputable dealer in Ohio should be able to program radios on MARCS. Average citizens cannot do it; it’s a secure system and programming keys are very tightly controlled.

In your area, Cleveland Communications sells both Harris and Kenwood radios. B&C Communications handles Motorola. I’m sure there are EFJ and Tait dealers, but I don’t know who they are up there. The MARCS Program Office should be able to steer you to a dealer; I’ve never known them to refuse to steer someone to a brand other than Motorola when asked. Don’t let them tell you that Motorola is the only thing out there, but if there’s grant money out there to get radios, grab it, no matter who makes the radios. You don’t have to use only a single brand of radio; get what you can afford as the money is available.

Ultimately, you’re going to have to pony up some serious money no matter what radios you buy; these radios aren’t cheap, and as a former firefighter/EMT (in my younger days), the last thing I’d want to do is crawl into a burning building toting a cheap radio.
 
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You hope what isn’t true? That there are options other than Motorola? That the monthly rate was down to $10? Please clarify.

There’s nothing new under $1000. If I recall correctly the least expensive new radio was around $2000. There are used options out there from places like Sunny Communications; stay away from XTS/XTL-series Motorola radios, as they may not have Link Layer and you can’t get it for those radios anymore. I think the cheapest Motorola APX model is the APX900 portable, which is probably in the $1500-2000 range.

I have no idea who your radio guy is, but don’t limit yourself to a particular radio brand based on who can program them; any reputable dealer in Ohio should be able to program radios on MARCS. Average citizens cannot do it; it’s a secure system and programming keys are very tightly controlled.

In your area, Cleveland Communications sells both Harris and Kenwood radios. B&C Communications handles Motorola. I’m sure there are EFJ and Tait dealers, but I don’t know who they are up there. The MARCS Program Office should be able to steer you to a dealer; I’ve never known them to refuse to steer someone to a brand other than Motorola when asked. Don’t let them tell you that Motorola is the only thing out there, but if there’s grant money out there to get radios, grab it, no matter who makes the radios. You don’t have to use only a single brand of radio; get what you can afford as the money is available.

Ultimately, you’re going to have to pony up some serious money no matter what radios you buy; these radios aren’t cheap, and as a former firefighter/EMT (in my younger days), the last thing I’d want to do is crawl into a burning building toting a cheap radio.
That was a huge typo, oops! I meant "I hope that's true". Darn autocorrect kills me every time.

We still have enough radios on the trucks thanks to the grant. Those were covered. But we’re talking about personal and EMS radios, which usually aren’t covered by MARCS grants anymore, and frankly, the grant funding itself is drying up fast.

It used to be that everyone had their own VHF or UHF radio and could actually communicate. Now, we’re barely able to equip our officers, let alone every responder. Dispatch phased out support for the old VHF and UHF systems due to budget constraints, and as a result, most of the repeaters around here have already been pulled. That made our old radios useless, and the few semi-affordable ones we had can’t meet the new authentication requirements going into effect in about a month.

We’re trying to find something solid, like we used to have, but at this point it might just be a new status quo: people pulling out their cell phones to call dispatch, hoping for enough cell coverage, waiting to get through, and then listening on Unication G5 pagers when they actually receive a signal. Honestly, the newer pagers are without signal more often than not in our area.

What’s even more frustrating is that the $6,000 radios we got through the grant are the ones we’re struggling with. You lose signal just walking into a metal building or a modern house with radiant barrier insulation. These are top-of-the-line models, and they still fail where the old VHF portables had no issue. I can only imagine how the budget-friendly $300 to $2,000 radios are going to perform in those same conditions.

The move to MARCS was supposed to be progress, but for rural volunteer crews like ours, it feels like we’ve taken a huge step backward in both day-to-day functionality and responder safety.

I just hope nothing tragic ever happens because members couldn’t communicate when it mattered most, because of this “new and improved” MARCS system. The system unintentionally destroyed interdepartmental communication, unless someone rides in on the fire truck. Those crews get a radio on scene per person, but our ambulances only get one radio for the squad, even though we run with a minimum of two people. We simply can’t afford to issue more. EMS can’t communicate like we used to, simply because not everyone has a radio anymore. And even once we’re on scene, we still run into signal issues, especially in or around metal buildings or new homes with radiant barrier insulation or floor heating. That is not just inconvenient, it is dangerous. One day, a medic might not hear a mayday unless they just happen to be standing near someone with a radio who does.

Thank you for the input, guys. I’ve got some homework to do, but honestly, it’s starting to feel like it might be time wasted. It’s just not looking like we’ll ever have the budget to go with high-end radios for regular members, and the lower-cost options bring serious performance concerns. I’m not seeing a path forward right now that makes this a good use of time or resources.

Sadly, real change probably will not happen until something like that does. And that is exactly what I’m trying to prevent, but with the cost of these radios, I’m not sure I will be able to.
 

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What’s even more frustrating is that the $6,000 radios we got through the grant are the ones we’re struggling with. You lose signal just walking into a metal building or a modern house with radiant barrier insulation. These are top-of-the-line models, and they still fail where the old VHF portables had no issue. I can only imagine how the budget-friendly $300 to $2,000 radios are going to perform in those same conditions.
I doubt the coverage issue is due to the subscriber. It’s more than likely the system wasn’t designed for in-building coverage where you are.
 

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I doubt the coverage issue is due to the subscriber. It’s more than likely the system wasn’t designed for in-building coverage where you are.
That’s exactly the problem. The lower-cost radios are just as good as Motorola; it’s simply that the system itself has crappy coverage in that area (there are tower sites all around but you’re not particularly close to any of them.

MARCS was designed for 97% portable in-street coverage, for state agencies. The trouble started when they opened it up to local agencies to increase revenue and improve interoperability (ironic, eh?); it was never designed for the in-building coverage local agencies need.

Your only real solution is get the radios you need, as well as vehicle repeaters. I’d start with the vehicle repeaters, and enough portable radios to equip each seat on a vehicle (ie four to an engine and two to a medic).

And tell the county to put the paging repeater back online; take it to the newspapers and tv stations if you have to. A VHF repeater is not costly to maintain.
 
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What site frequencies should I use for the Columbus Regional Airport Authority? I can't figure out if I need only the control channel capable frequencies or Program only the control channels, colored in red OR blue text in the database.

Program only the control channels, the red AND blue frequencies.

Program the sites “Columbus City Simul” & “Columbus MARCS”, each programmed as a separate site. So you should have two sites.

The reason you must program both sites is because that particular agency utilizes both sites. Some agencies use only one, some use the other, and like in this case, sometimes both.
 

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Sounds like fire/ems ops.

135 - Shelby County "TAC-1"
137 - Shelby County "TAC-3"
 
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