PSR-500 future firmware wishlist

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doug408

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hit counts

I had almost exactly the same idea. Let's suppose a new trunking system is coming on line. Suppose I know I will want to monitor it but do not know what talk groups will be used, or how. So I park my PSR-500 in the corner for a week, letting it collect info 24/7 on what talk groups are in use. I can then go back and listen to these later (possibly with the help of others) and try to figure out how they are used (and report that to the RR database team for the benefit of others).

If I could just enter a TSYS and a WILDCARD TGID, and the PSR-500 would be smart enough to automatically NEW a TGID for me each time a WILDCARD matches a TGID that is not otherwise in use (including incrementing the hit count in the TGID entry regardless of whether or not it is new and perhaps not waiting for the transmission to finish before moving on) then this becomes a much simpler exercise. By sorting the TGID counts (perhaps after uploading the hit count data to WIN500, PSREdit or ARC500) I could also focus on first identifying the talk groups that have the most traffic, then perhaps temporarily lock those out until the less frequently used ones are identified.

[That reminds me of another question that I don't think I saw documented anywhere. How many bits wide are the hit counts, and if they overflow, do they wrap or just stop at the maximum value?]

A similar approach might be useful with SWPR searches. If, during a SWPR search, the PSR-500 finds an active frequency, in this mode it would just STOR it (if not already stored), increment the hit count and move on quickly, regardless of how active that channel is. (Though I suppose this creates some ambiguity in the meaning of hit counts if the search wraps back to the same frequency while a long transmission is active. Fortunately, it's not really important if the hit count is 160 or 6600; just that it's "a lot" or "a few" or "none.")

For both of these, this would imply the ability to specify a 'scratch' scanlist to hold the newly discovered entries, and it might be desirable to flash the LED and temporarily light up the screen the first time each NEW TGID entry is discovered.

I haven't yet given much thought to this whole idea, but it sounds promising and within a reasonable difficulty of programming. It would greatly simplify the process of discovering how a given trunked system is used.

kikito said:
If I understand your request correctly, you're asking to have the radio keep track of hit counts from each individual TG that pops up while using Wildcard?

I don't see how it's possible to keep track of hit counts on TGs that are not programmed unless they can have the radio automatically save new TGs and start keeping count, otherwise, with computer software is the only way I could see it happening....
 

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doug408 said:
That reminds me of another question that I don't think I saw documented anywhere. How many bits wide are the hit counts, and if they overflow, do they wrap or just stop at the maximum value?

It's an unsigned short type (0-65535). I don't know what happens when it reaches that point though.

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W4KRR said:
I thought I had read in an earlier thread that I-Call radio ID's could only be displayed in hex format, unlike group ID's. I have not actually looked into this myself.
Yes, that appears to be the fact.

I wonder if it's a bug that you can select Hex or Dec but it only shows them in Hex in "real" time. At least for now, it looks like it'll convert between both by toggling the option. So if you happen to have a list in Dec or Hex, you can enter them in either mode and the radio will convert them for you it looks like....
 

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>Very good ideas flowing here.

Indeed!!

So, now that the scanner has been released, and everyone can openly talk about it. Just curious to know if someone from GRE has or will stop by to say Hi, and if they could let us know what is going to be updated/expected, and what updates from useres are they going to consider (Kinda like what is going on over at the Uniden section). Or if someone here is going to speak on GRE's behalf as to what is coming down the firmware pipeline.
 

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>Where have you gotten the "everyone can openly talk about it" from?

Before the release date, the GRE beta testers "could not openly talk about the scanner and it's features" (They were exluded from giving up certain information). The scanner is out now, the secret is over. This is not the x-files!

I hope this clears it up for you.
 
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walter900 said:
>Where have you gotten the "everyone can openly talk about it" from?

Before the release date, the GRE beta testers "could not openly talk about the scanner and it's features" (They were exluded from giving up certain information). The scanner is out now, the secret is over. This is not the x-files!

I hope this clears it up for you.

That doesn't mean the beta testers are able to talk about everything. I would expect that there might be some terms of any NDA that would have been signed that would prevent discussion of some information about the radio, even after it's release to the public.

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walter900 said:
>Where have you gotten the "everyone can openly talk about it" from?

Before the release date, the GRE beta testers "could not openly talk about the scanner and it's features" (They were exluded from giving up certain information). The scanner is out now, the secret is over. This is not the x-files!

I hope this clears it up for you.


You're also assuming the beta testers want to be known...Maybe they do not want to be known..
 

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doug408 said:
I had almost exactly the same idea. Let's suppose a new trunking system is coming on line. Suppose I know I will want to monitor it but do not know what talk groups will be used, or how. So I park my PSR-500 in the corner for a week, letting it collect info 24/7 on what talk groups are in use. I can then go back and listen to these later (possibly with the help of others) and try to figure out how they are used (and report that to the RR database team for the benefit of others).

If I could just enter a TSYS and a WILDCARD TGID, and the PSR-500 would be smart enough to automatically NEW a TGID for me each time a WILDCARD matches a TGID that is not otherwise in use (including incrementing the hit count in the TGID entry regardless of whether or not it is new and perhaps not waiting for the transmission to finish before moving on) then this becomes a much simpler exercise. By sorting the TGID counts (perhaps after uploading the hit count data to WIN500, PSREdit or ARC500) I could also focus on first identifying the talk groups that have the most traffic, then perhaps temporarily lock those out until the less frequently used ones are identified.

[That reminds me of another question that I don't think I saw documented anywhere. How many bits wide are the hit counts, and if they overflow, do they wrap or just stop at the maximum value?]

A similar approach might be useful with SWPR searches. If, during a SWPR search, the PSR-500 finds an active frequency, in this mode it would just STOR it (if not already stored), increment the hit count and move on quickly, regardless of how active that channel is. (Though I suppose this creates some ambiguity in the meaning of hit counts if the search wraps back to the same frequency while a long transmission is active. Fortunately, it's not really important if the hit count is 160 or 6600; just that it's "a lot" or "a few" or "none.")

For both of these, this would imply the ability to specify a 'scratch' scanlist to hold the newly discovered entries, and it might be desirable to flash the LED and temporarily light up the screen the first time each NEW TGID entry is discovered.

I haven't yet given much thought to this whole idea, but it sounds promising and within a reasonable difficulty of programming. It would greatly simplify the process of discovering how a given trunked system is used.

Doug I agree this would be a great feature-- basically, enter the WILDCARD and enable some type of "auto-store" of new TGIDs into a specific scanlist/bank... Where that REALLY comes in handy is then being able to download the capture TGIDs onto PSREdit or Win500, arrange them, assign alpha tags, etc. and the reload the radio (this is what I've been doing rather than entering all of the data by hand on the scanner or through the software). Of course, to some degree, this need can go away (mostly) when directly draw from RR into Win500 and/or PSREdit is working.... but NOT for "unknown systems".
 

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battery voltage

If I check the battery voltage using the glob menu, and the PSR-500 is currently running on AC, it just says "> 9.96 volts" which is presumably the adapter output voltage (nominally 9V). It would be far more useful to see what the actual battery voltage is at that point, so you could quickly check the status of the batteries as they charge without unplugging the AC adapter. I don't know how hard that is to do from an electrical engineering point of view, but it would be much more useful data. One would hope that the AC adapter voltage would always be within spec, so the current message only seems useful if you have the wrong adapter or hardware is broken (or maybe the AC line voltage feeding the adapter is out of spec, causng the adapter output voltage to be out of spec).
 

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Hi Group and GRE; I would like to see a adjustable attunator? The receiver is so "HOT" and when you turn in on it is "DEAF" Adjustable is good! Thanks, Bill
 

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doug408 said:
If I check the battery voltage using the glob menu, and the PSR-500 is currently running on AC, it just says "> 9.96 volts" which is presumably the adapter output voltage (nominally 9V). It would be far more useful to see what the actual battery voltage is at that point, so you could quickly check the status of the batteries as they charge without unplugging the AC adapter. I don't know how hard that is to do from an electrical engineering point of view, but it would be much more useful data. One would hope that the AC adapter voltage would always be within spec, so the current message only seems useful if you have the wrong adapter or hardware is broken (or maybe the AC line voltage feeding the adapter is out of spec, causng the adapter output voltage to be out of spec).


unless you are running it in a car, where the car can fluctuate voltage. this was just the only exception i could think of tho.



as far as updates i would like to see... (in no order of importance)

ability to trickle charge the batteries in the scanner. that way people like me who take the batts out to charge so they dont fry in the scanner, could still have the batteries trickle charge so that they are not (very slowly) losing their charge by just sitting there.

more scanlists or sub-banks. i think either would help solve many organization problems.

fix the flippin STAT mode so it actually works (and other p25 issues that have been discussed)

have the ability to set search modes to control channel only, similar to uniden's 396 feature

thats all i can think of at this moment..
 

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How about an EDACS patch ID like the Uniden units where the display alternates between the patch TG and the channel names that are patched together.
 

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volume control sensitivity

This is likely closer to an electrical issue than a firmware issue, but I find the volume control to be way too sensitive, especially when trying to listen quietly at night. Someone else mentioned the same issue. If there is any scaling factor applied by firmware, perhaps that could be tweaked. If not, it's presumably easily fixed by a change in the resistance of the potentiometer.

By the way, I know I've made a number of comments/gripes in this forum recently. Those are to help improve what is already an outstanding product overall, in my opinion. GRE folks should be very proud of this product. Hopefully the promised firmware updates will resolve the site-specific issues that some have seen, and an updated version of the manual can be posted soon.

I only have two issues that are likely harder to properly fix in firmware. There is growing evidence that listening to my PSR-500 causes sleep deprivation, and it seems that the crime, fire and accident rate in my neighborhood has gone way up since I started listening to it. :)
 

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Spouse Mode?

When your wife wakes up in the middle of the night,the PSR goes into sleep mode. Then resumes scan mode when its safe.
 

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APCO P25 *Phase 2*.

It's coming... Lousy crummy TDMA!

OK, maybe not next year as it looks like it's still going through the standards process, but it's coming.

Also air band is going digital, any hope for decoding that?
 

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doug408 said:
This is likely closer to an electrical issue than a firmware issue, but I find the volume control to be way too sensitive, especially when trying to listen quietly at night. Someone else mentioned the same issue. If there is any scaling factor applied by firmware, perhaps that could be tweaked. If not, it's presumably easily fixed by a change in the resistance of the potentiometer.

I found the low volume setting to be a problem with the '96 when I had it. I think the PRS-500 does a better job.
 

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tbhausen said:
How about the ability to flash more than one color of the LED (police red and blue alternately, etc.)?

Todd/Indy

I agree, I'd like to see alternating colors too.
 
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