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windigofer

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newsalan said:
I don't think that much is encrypted... It's just hard to hear, and hard to receive, and itsounds not to good at a distance. Remember I'm receiving it out at about 45-50 miles. But I've really only heard 2-3 encrypted talkgroups. I hear stockade traffic in the clear. At least that's what I think it is, they call for prisoner so and so. But I still do not have a positive id.

How does it track with all three CC in places either as separate systems or or multi-track or whatever GRE calls it.
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I can't speak for Ft. Knox's system (as I am also around 50+ miles out--maybe I can try it next time I'm out in Mt. Washington), but at least SAFE-T with multiple sites works absolutely stellar on the PSR-500 (I am aware that apparently some of the early testing of the radio was done with SAFE-T, and I know that the ROAM and STAT modes work quite well with Floyd/Clark/Harrison Co. SAFE-T sites). Of note, the SAFE-T system and Ft. Knox both show up as 3600bps APCO-25 on the PSR-500 (yes, in search mode you can do realtime analysis of control channels--it really is beautiful :D)--just different bands.

Of course, I'm also anxious for the Metrosafe system proper to start up so I can really play with this on a 9600bps system (I do hear the demo MetroSafe system well on it, at least).
 

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you've got that right about Okolona hearing all the booms... I can tell you which direction, just from level of boom, they are firing! always been the same thing growing up here, you get used to it!!!
 

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Oh, and I don't know how I never saw that last post... it does sound great, and most of the traffic you hea on it as of yet is the uhf and vhf links!
 

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windigofer said:
I can't speak for Ft. Knox's system (as I am also around 50+ miles out--maybe I can try it next time I'm out in Mt. Washington), but at least SAFE-T with multiple sites works absolutely stellar on the PSR-500 (I am aware that apparently some of the early testing of the radio was done with SAFE-T, and I know that the ROAM and STAT modes work quite well with Floyd/Clark/Harrison Co. SAFE-T sites). Of note, the SAFE-T system and Ft. Knox both show up as 3600bps APCO-25 on the PSR-500 (yes, in search mode you can do realtime analysis of control channels--it really is beautiful :D)--just different bands.

Of course, I'm also anxious for the Metrosafe system proper to start up so I can really play with this on a 9600bps system (I do hear the demo MetroSafe system well on it, at least).

Interesting, I have Knox as a pure P25 system. And that is the ID that I get, it's different on the BCD396 with 3600 baud system. Can you make a change with the PSR to 9600 Baud, and maybe try that... I would like to get another scanner, either GRE 500 or a 996, but the first one was a heck of a bite in the wallet. I was out at Jeff Mall, and I didn't receive Knox all that great, but then again I was watching my driving which was more important.

The search mode sounds interesting... I'll look in the manual. On my Uniden I can do Control Channel search, and it locks onto Motorola and LTR systems and gives me id's for LTR and Sites for Motorola. Anyway, I would love to have roam for Safe-t on the Uniden. On a good day I can receive 5 sites from my location, and I have to lock and unlock as I travel.

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Interesting, I have Knox as a pure P25 system. And that is the ID that I get, it's different on the BCD396 with 3600 baud system. Can you make a change with the PSR to 9600 Baud, and maybe try that... I would like to get another scanner, either GRE 500 or a 996, but the first one was a heck of a bite in the wallet. I was out at Jeff Mall, and I didn't receive Knox all that great, but then again I was watching my driving which was more important.

The search mode sounds interesting... I'll look in the manual. On my Uniden I can do Control Channel search, and it locks onto Motorola and LTR systems and gives me id's for LTR and Sites for Motorola. Anyway, I would love to have roam for Safe-t on the Uniden. On a good day I can receive 5 sites from my location, and I have to lock and unlock as I travel.

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The "Roam" and "Stat" modes for the PSR-500 are nice (basically with these two modes, you can program in multiple sites in a single TSYS object (which is where you store the actual info for control channels; talkgroups behave just like conventional frequencies with the PSR-500) and the PSR-500 will automagically see which control channel has the highest signal level and decode rate, then will lock on from there till it drops below a certain threshold then it starts internally "scanning" for the strongest signal and so on)--definitely a very fun toy with multiple-site systems like SAFE-T. It's definitely worth it IMHO, but then again, I've always been a fan of GRE kit. Your mileage may vary. :D

Interesting that you're picking up the Fort Knox system as 9600bps APCO-25. (Again, though, I could be in a fringe area for that system. Hence why I'd like to try it out in Shepherdsville or West Point or somewhere actually *closer* to Hardin County to test things out with. It could also be a difference on how the Uniden and the GRE radios handle things.) I can set the mode to P25 Manual on the test setup for KYSP (presently it's on P25 Auto) and see if that helps at all, though.

I am leaning towards "fringe area" being the culprit, BTW, on why I can't pick up the Ft. Knox system reliably. I can pick up KYSP pretty well, but both transmitters near me are roughly 15mi from my location. (The PSR-500 is easily the most sensitive radio I've owned yet, so it's not a matter that it's deaf at that frequency range.)

(For that matter, I also now need to add the new KYMAI freqs that were recently found on here to see if we can pick up the NAC codes for those. Did I mention the PSR-500 does NAC natively? Did I mention this is just about the best thing since sliced bread if you're on a "border area" monitoring KYSP? :D)
 

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windigofer said:
The "Roam" and "Stat" modes for the PSR-500 are nice (basically with these two modes, you can program in multiple sites in a single TSYS object (which is where you store the actual info for control channels; talkgroups behave just like conventional frequencies with the PSR-500) and the PSR-500 will automagically see which control channel has the highest signal level and decode rate, then will lock on from there till it drops below a certain threshold then it starts internally "scanning" for the strongest signal and so on)--definitely a very fun toy with multiple-site systems like SAFE-T. It's definitely worth it IMHO, but then again, I've always been a fan of GRE kit. Your mileage may vary. :D

Interesting that you're picking up the Fort Knox system as 9600bps APCO-25. (Again, though, I could be in a fringe area for that system. Hence why I'd like to try it out in Shepherdsville or West Point or somewhere actually *closer* to Hardin County to test things out with. It could also be a difference on how the Uniden and the GRE radios handle things.) I can set the mode to P25 Manual on the test setup for KYSP (presently it's on P25 Auto) and see if that helps at all, though.

I am leaning towards "fringe area" being the culprit, BTW, on why I can't pick up the Ft. Knox system reliably. I can pick up KYSP pretty well, but both transmitters near me are roughly 15mi from my location. (The PSR-500 is easily the most sensitive radio I've owned yet, so it's not a matter that it's deaf at that frequency range.)

(For that matter, I also now need to add the new KYMAI freqs that were recently found on here to see if we can pick up the NAC codes for those. Did I mention the PSR-500 does NAC natively? Did I mention this is just about the best thing since sliced bread if you're on a "border area" monitoring KYSP? :D)

I can get KSP, but since so far out, I usually pick up analog first, which blocks the digital. I'm 26 miles from Madison IN and at least 40 from any KSP tower in Oldham or at the fairgrounds. Plus I don't regularly monitor it.
I also picked up 851.0125 with a CC today, but the only thing it comes back to is KYEMA, and it was just a couple of blips, nothing solid. Yeah, I think I would like the PSR500, but not buying one this month. Maybe when my tax "rebate" comes through in May.

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Just monitored what sounded a lot like Motorola iDen (scroll down some, look for it on the left) on 170.75000.... this was in the vicinity of New Circle and Russell Cave Pike in Lexington at 0915 (25 Jan)... haven't been by the airport to see if Con Air is on the ground.... but it came in 5X5..... except I couldn't understand what was being said (obviously)!

Strange, but very interesting
will have to put that one in the radio and see what pops up
 

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unitcharlie said:
Just monitored it again (28 Jan 2008/0750), didn't sound the same way as last time.... sounded exactly like AES & DES Encryption from w2sjw.com.... this is now quizical!

getting more interesting.......
could you tell if it was simplex or a repeater?
 

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Monitored it twice this morning (29 Jan), different parts of town--New Circle near Versailles Road and at Russell Cave and Kees Road near the Army Reserve Facility.... same AES/DES sound, both times the signal was very strong so i guessing it is on a repeater, unless I am being followed--where is my tin tobaggons? The transmissions are too quick for the search to catch a repeater freq, yet....
 

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unitcharlie said:
Monitored it twice this morning Army Reserve Facility..

Quote cropped....could it have been the reserve facility? At the Air Guard sometimes it sounds simplex, other times repeatered....

Just a thought as well
 

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Don't know... gonna try to figure out how to set things up so I am searching in different directions to see if it is on a repeater... the signal was strong every time it came thru.... so it well could be repeated....
 

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Ok heres one for ya! on 463.825 I get talk that sounds like its BFI (garbage trucks) but when I search the FCC I get 463.825 as Lexmark International Lexington. But that can’t be, every morning at about 4am they start talking about dumpsters and land fields and big loads and they talk about going to other city’s like Richmond and Winchester . So does anyone know if 463.825 is BFI? And if not does anyone have frequencies for BFI/ garbage trucks in the Lexington Richmond area?
Thanks 206
 

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did it have a pl/dpl tone or was it like an LTR system. Alot of LTR systems in that frequency range
 

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Don’t know if it has a tone or not how could I tell? Does it show on the scanner screen? So trash man do you work for BFI?
 

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Allied Waste bought BFI... their freq is 151.95500 (that's in Lexington but it is apparently for the Central Kentucky area). Not sure who is on 453.82500 (I monitored it this ,morning with 125 DPL) talking about the land fill--that is the fone patch freq for Jessamine County EMS (with a 141.3 PL)...
 
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unitcharlie said:
Not sure who is on 453.82500 (I monitored it this ,morning with 125 DPL) talking about the land fill--that is the fone patch freq for Jessamine County EMS (with a 141.3 PL)...


was it 453.825 or 463.825, Hundley206 said 463.825
 

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Have a favor to ask of any of you Southern Kentucky LTR listeners... I am in the midst of placing location data for as many freqs/systems, etc, as possible... I opened PALCO and noticed there are a number of freqs that aren't listed and some that are listed don't belong... Just wondering if anyone in any of the areas PALCO serves would mind helping map this system.... The attached list is all the freqs listed for the variuous locations (including a freq listed for the Franklin site that comes back as a single freq in Albany).... Any help would be appreciated more than you'll know....
Here's the list:
PALCO ENTERPRISES INC
Albany (Clinton) 36.71589 -85.01606
WPNY606
451.17500
452.32500
462.35000
463.82500

CAVE CITY (Barren) 37.11089 -85.97803
WPMM300
461.65000
461.77500
463.40000
463.72500
464.22500
464.30000
464.70000

ALBANY (Clinton) 36.71589 -85.01606
WPQF987
463.85000


HOPKINSVILLE (Christian) 36.92617 -87.44000
WPNV713
451.32500
451.37500
451.60000
452.22500
452.32500
452.35000
452.75000
452.87500
461.52500
463.32500

FRANKLIN (Simpson) 36.68836 -86.48639
WNNG651
452.37500
461.10000
463.67500
464.95000

RUSSELLVILLE (Logan) 36.83533 -86.88361
WPMJ583
460.67500
461.07500
463.62500
464.35000

SCOTTSVILLE (Allen) 36.69561 -86.14858
WPMM299
461.05000
461.52500
462.02500
463.47500
464.27500
464.80000

ROCKFIELD (Warren) 36.95422 -86.54889
WPMM275
460.80000
461.75000
461.95000
463.80000
463.95000
464.00000
464.20000
 
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