Hoosier SAFE-T thread 2025

[west-pac]

That map I put up of the repeater sites on SAFE-T, each one of those sites works like Monon. Which is nice, because if you can only get the repeater site (like when using a handheld scanner) you can still get 95%+ of the comms in your 5 county area.
I wish I could get the Lafayette repeater site, but I can get Fowler and that gives me ISP Dist 14 so I'm still good. If you notice Dist 14 isn't on Monon very often, only when they are up around the 192 MM on 65 (which is the north end of Dist 14) that they are on Monon. They are on Fowler a lot, because Fowler is in Dist 14. .... Also White county is on Monon all the time as (I would assume as one of their home sites). Which is great for me because I can't get Lake Shafer or Monticello in Rensselaer. ...Also I can't get Hebron/Kouts but I can get Lowell and Porter Co. is repeated off of Lowell (which is the repeater in that area) so I'm also good to go there. ...Also even though Fowler is not a repeater site Fountain/Warren Co. is on Fowler which lets you hear all the way down to Covington & Attica from here.

You're still wrong. The NPSPAC radio network (the map that you're talking about) has zero connection and affect on the P25 SAFE-T radio system. The only thing they have in common is that they are co-located on the same radio towers.

NPSPAC and SAFE-T is like Coca-Cola and Pepsi. They're 2 different things that don't affect each other.

 

[INDY72]

Learn the difference between conventional analog systems, and P25 Trunked systems. The NPSPAC are conventional stand alone antenna hooked to a stand alone repeater. Co located on an tower with antenna for the SAFE-T trunked system with its own repeater. Completely separate from each other. Once you understand that, you have basic knowledge of how the state systems function. There is a lot more to glean about the trunked system, like geofencing, zones, talkgroup allocation, how failsafe/failsoft etc works... Then there is simucast sites, a lesson for another time...

 

[W9NES]

Hello all I am asking if anyone knows what talk group 12563 is being used for for Indiana Department of Correction. I have looked at what is posted in the list for safe-t and find Miami and Westville with talk groups starting in the 125 area, Nothing listed for 12563. I am hearing 121563 thru the Boone County Safe-t tower site. Can any one help me on this? Thank you, Respectfully Submitted Timothy DeLong W9NES.

 

[west-pac]

It could be IDOC New Castle, if they did indeed finally which to SAFE-T. On their former radio system they had 10 TGs. All of the 12560's are unlisted in the RRDB.

 

[W9NES]

It could be IDOC New Castle, if they did indeed finally which to SAFE-T. On their former radio system they had 10 TGs. All of the 12560's are unlisted in the RRDB.

Thank you so much.

 

[W9NES]

Hello while monitoring Boone County Safe-t on Weds 10/15/25 around 615PM. I heard new safe-t talk groups being tested. *Alert tones were being sent out on talkgroups 14201,and 14101, Wondering what county or agency this is going to be? Any Ideas? Thank you.

 

[speedway_navigator]

IPSC techs have been working on level settings as they prepare to move from T1 lines, tones are a good way to set levels and check deviation.

 

[ind224]

Don't have listening capability as I type did anyone notice any issues with Safe T because of the AWS outage? I figured someone would have said something if they had but I'm asking anyway.

 

[speedway_navigator]

I think the system is totally internal, would not want a weak link like an outside vendor.

 

[west-pac]

I think the system is totally internal, would not want a weak link like an outside vendor.

You're wrong. It's not internal at all. Phone lines and cable lines get cut all the time sending sites into Site Trunking. There are dozens of outside vendors involved in the system.

 

[19-685]

SAFE-T P-25 Phase 2 TDMA Update

From the October 2025 edition of The Repeater - IPSC's bi-monthly newsletter available here:

Newsroom

www.in.gov

PILOT SITES FOR TDMA SELECTED

Testing for Phase 2 (TDMA) will begin soon.

"IPSC has been approved to add TDMA (P25 Phase 2) to two of our current tower sites for testing purposes.

The sites at Ft Wayne and Westville Correctional facility will provide both a controlled and uncontrolled testing environment to see the positive impacts TDMA could have for radio communications.

THIS TEST WILL NOT IMPACT CURRENT SYSTEM USERS. FDMA radios will continue to work normally on the syste

This is the first step in the giant task of transitioning all of the SAFE-T system to TDMA (Phase 2) which, if approved, would be a multi-year project.

Continue to check the IPSC website for updates or contact your local Outreach Coordinator for more information."

 

[west-pac]

Sweet! I guess now I have a reason to point a beam towards Fort Wayne.

 

[IndyScan]

"Hoosier Torch" on TGID 12076 (ING Command) doing radio checks with the various armories around the state. Is this a weekly/monthly test similar to EMA & IDHS?

"'Hoosier Torch Net' calling all armories" was in the closing.

 

[west-pac]

"Hoosier Torch" on TGID 12076 (ING Command) doing radio checks with the various armories around the state. Is this a weekly/monthly test similar to EMA & IDHS?

"'Hoosier Torch Net' calling all armories" was in the closing.

It occurs regularly, however, I'm not sure if it's weekly or monthly.

 

[TCcomm3240]

So I made a post in regards to scanning the vermillion county area in another forum and was told to come here for more information. I have a Motorola XTS5000 set up as NAS for the SAFE-T system. All of my programming is correct and I’ve confirmed no data or any transmissions are being TX’d and are completely blocked from affiliating with the main network. My question is, can I add only Clinton site and still get all traffic in the county or would I need both Newport and Clinton control channels in in order to get all traffic?

 

[AK9R]

So I made a post in regards to scanning the vermillion county area in another forum and was told to come here for more information.

I've looked at your posts and it seems that you are missing the mark.

If you have questions about Project SAFE-T and it's sites and talkgroups, this is the correct forum. This is not the correct forum for information about programming a specific radio.

If you are programming a Motorola radio for NAS, your best place to ask for programming strategies and tips is in the Motorola forum. I'll warn you that many of the folks in that forum are professional Motorola techs and they may have no desire to help you with NAS.

Frankly, programming a subscriber radio for NAS is not generally an easy task. You have to be very familiar with the system and with your radio to make it work. And, you may find that you have to go "underground" to find the information you want.

 

[TCcomm3240]

I've looked at your posts and it seems that you are missing the mark.

If you have questions about Project SAFE-T and it's sites and talkgroups, this is the correct forum. This is not the correct forum for information about programming a specific radio.

If you are programming a Motorola radio for NAS, your best place to ask for programming strategies and tips is in the Motorola forum. I'll warn you that many of the folks in that forum are professional Motorola techs and they may have no desire to help you with NAS.

Frankly, programming a subscriber radio for NAS is not generally an easy task. You have to be very familiar with the system and with your radio to make it work. And, you may find that you have to go "underground" to find the information you want.

I already programmed it correctly and have all the settings and everything to prohibit any transmissions from being sent out from this radio. I’ve got all the tools to program for NAS and been doing it for a long long while. Just confused about the sites, Im new to Indiana and just curious if Clinton and Newport site need to be programmed in to get all voice traffic or just one sites control channels? Ive tested and verified all my work is correct on programming NAS.

 

[usswood]

with the size of Vermillion and the location of the clinton machine, I would say, Clinton should give you everything you want for just Vermillion .... I wouldn't add Newport unless your looking for traffic from Warren County also or Dist 14 ISP

 

[Napalm]

What meant by I don't think any Dispatches have monon as their primary is the Dispatch consoles located mostly at the jails, are in the county seats... Like Winamac, Rensselaer, Monticello, Fowler, Etc... Kentland used to for Newton but I'm pretty sure dispatch was moved to the government center in Morocco, which is literally in the shadow of the Morocco Site. They all hook the Dispatch consoles to the nearest site.

Why I think white county is on monon always is because monon the town is in white county and they have fire and pd units on white counties talk groups.. The monon site is in jasper county I realize this but its not far from monon so the monon units always are affiliated to it because they are so close. Its just perfect position imo to pick up all counties and act as a repeater of all traffic from each of the Counties.

I wish I was more central located but being north end of Newton I can't get Fowler nor Rensselaer site.. I get Monon, Morocco, Lake and Porter.. I love lake because of guaranteed ISP 13 Dispatch cause they use the tower right next to the post as their primary tower, the same wud be great for ISP 14 if you cud get the Lafayette tower. The porter county simulcast allows me to also get laporte county always and starke county at times. I don't get Laporte County, Starke County nor Pulaski County off the Lake County site (Lowell)

I don't often agree with West-Pac (I think he's very grumpy) but you guys don't understand how trunking works. Lake county is simulcast. D13 doesn't use Lowell as their primary "repeater". Dispatch gets transmitted on the ALL the LC and PoCo simulcast sites and any others that D13 mobiles or portables affiliate to. How do you think units that pursue into Illinois are talking to the post? Direct to the Lowell site?

There are no such things as repeaters in a trunked network. Think of it like a cell network... When you move areas you move to different cell sites and your phone still works. You don't use a primary cell phone site.

Yes I'm aware this post is a month or so old 😂

 

[west-pac]

I don't often agree with West-Pac (I think he's very grumpy) but you guys don't understand how trunking works. Lake county is simulcast. D13 doesn't use Lowell as their primary "repeater". Dispatch gets transmitted on the ALL the LC and PoCo simulcast sites and any others that D13 mobiles or portables affiliate to. How do you think units that pursue into Illinois are talking to the post? Direct to the Lowell site?

There are no such things as repeaters in a trunked network. Think of it like a cell network... When you move areas you move to different cell sites and your phone still works. You don't use a primary cell phone site.

Yes I'm aware this post is a month or so old 😂

Every frequency on a P25 site is a repeater. If there are 8 frequencies on a site, there are 8 repeaters in that radio cabinet. If there are 5 frequencies on the site, there are 5 repeaters in the cabinet, etc..

I'm not grumpy, per se, I'm just knowledgeable and opinionated.