Hoosier SAFE-T thread 2025

[Indianabrad]

Yeah, it's a joke that you have to have the paid for player to get the tags. I get that player b\c it is a perk for my providing the feed.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Yeah, it's a joke that you have to have the paid for player to get the tags. I get that player b\c it is a perk for my providing the feed.

Maybe if you got time listen to Morocco site and see what you hear... I'm trying something different now, I'm have the one scanner on just the Morocco site and on wildcard to see if it's just Newton County talk groups or all talk groups on the site that are one sided.

I suspect it should be all talk groups but I'm not sure. Just don't make sense it's just Morocco site in as far a Newton County talk groups, but didn't try wildcard on the other scanner just put Newton County sheriff on hold on Monon and heard both sides then on that same scanner on Morocco site put on hold on Newton County sheriff and only heard one side.

I don't know seems site related but I'm investigate more

Edit: was just a EMS call and confirmed one sided conversation on both scanners, hearing dispatch but not medic that responded.. now I did hear both, it's intermittent.. I'm confused... One might think my scanners are losing reception but they both have 5 bars and never lost reception in years that I've been listening, since the Morocco site went online... The T is unwavering, so no loss in signal. Still investigating

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

What seems to be happening is when the units radio is affiliating with any other tower but Morocco I don't hear there side thru the Morocco site, but when they are affiliating on the Morocco site I do..

An example I heard a call to Morocco for medic 1 and heard it respond, arrive on scene, go en route to hospital, not a minute later medic 3 which I believe was on north end and affiliated with lake county simulcast I heard just the dispatch... Is this a microwave issue? I'm so confused.

 

[west-pac]

One of the sites are in site trunking. Dispatch is using 2 radios, connecting to both, the site-trunking site, and the site still connected to the network.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

One of the sites are in site trunking. Dispatch is using 2 radios, connecting to both, the site-trunking site, and the site still connected to the network.

Thanks so much, do they just leave it like this? It's been 2 days now, going on 3... Probably be fixed Monday I assume maybe just no techs on weekends I suppose. Thanks again that makes sense, Morocco site is in site trunking mode 👍🏻

 

[Indianabrad]

Probably be fixed Monday

Until Newton Co. fixes their site, just listen to them on Fowler or Monon. I just heard Newton Co. disp. talking back & forth to a deputy on Fowler no prob. Newton Co. is also to way comms on Rensselaer. But yeah, you're right they are only one way comms on their home site.
Of course, Monon is the designated repeater site for this multi county area, that's why there are so many counties on it also, that you could nearly get by just listening to it alone.

Site Trunking 101

www.in.gov

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

Until Newton Co. fixes their site, just listen to them on Fowler or Monon. I just heard Newton Co. disp. talking back & forth to a deputy on Fowler no prob. Newton Co. is also to way comms on Rensselaer. But yeah, you're right they are only one way comms on their home site.
Of course, Monon is the designated repeater site for this multi county area, that's why there are so many counties on it also, that you could nearly get by just listening to it alone.

Site Trunking 101

www.in.gov

Thanks for the website, helps me understand more about it. I have heard about it before on other counties around me before but have never experienced it on the Newton County site. They have got it fixed as of today so all is good as of a while ago.

I didn't realize that about monon site, I know its one of the older sites on the system and does have alot of traffic on it, from Benton, Newton, Jasper, Pulaski Counties, ISP 13-14 etc... Even thou Benton County I never hear no more cause the don't dispatch over the dispatch TG but only on the Secure channel now 😪

 

[west-pac]

I didn't realize that about monon site

That's because it's simply not true. There is no such thing as a 'designated repeater site'. Every site on SAFE-T is comprised of multiple repeaters.

Each site on SAFE-T will only broadcast a TG if a user is on that TG -and- affiliated with that site. In other words, if no users on that TG are connected to that site, that site will not broadcast that TG.

 

[Indianabrad]

That's because it's simply not true.

What do you think this IPSC map says??????????????? Monon is the designated repeater site for this 5 county area.

 

[west-pac]

What do you think this IPSC map says??????????????? Monon is the designated repeater site for this 5 county area.

That's not for SAFE-T. 🤦‍♂️ That's for NPSPAC conventional channels. That has nothing to do with SAFE-T TGs.

 

[Indianabrad]

That's not for SAFE-T.

All of those sites are SAFE-T repeater sites for their 5 county area. I know it's a fact. They do the same thing on P25, why else would you hear all your area counties on that site ALL THE TIME 24 HRS A DAY.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

That's because it's simply not true. There is no such thing as a 'designated repeater site'. Every site on SAFE-T is comprised of multiple repeaters.

Each site on SAFE-T will only broadcast a TG if a user is on that TG -and- affiliated with that site. In other words, if no users on that TG are connected to that site, that site will not broadcast that TG.

I didn't take it as just one repeater etc, as u described. Cause like u said sites have multiple frequencies and multiple repeaters, but took it as it tends to broadcast many of the talk groups from around the area.

Cause its location. Its in Jasper County kinda close to white county border but Newton County is relatively far away but I always heard Newton County on there been before Newton County had the Morocco site, when some Police had what they called back then "800".

It literally has traffic from everything in the area as I was saying, Newton, Jasper, Pulaski, Benton, White Counties and ISP 13-14, all the counties around are really close to that site besides Newton county its a bit away. So I took it as repeats slot of the area traffic not necessary a repeater for the area.

Tbh I don't know what it is, I know its one of the older sites in the area and it does carry alot if not all the counties traffic it seems from around the area based on my experience of listening to it.

 

[Indianabrad]

Tbh I don't know what it is,

You can take it to the bank that all of those sites on that convectional map were converted to do the same job on P25.

 

[west-pac]

All of those sites are SAFE-T repeater sites for their 5 county area. I know it's a fact.

Buddy, stop

All of those sites are SAFE-T repeater sites for their 5 county area. I know it's a fact. They do the same thing on P25, why else would you hear all your area counties on that site ALL THE TIME 24 HRS A DAY.

NPSPAC is a separate radio system that is piggybacked onto some of the SAFE-T sites. A lot of times ISP Superloads will use NPSPAC channels so they can communicate with each other in the convoy, but stay off of the SAFE-T system. I believe INDOT will use NPSPAC at times also. Any of the SAFE-T users can use NPSPAC, and (I believe) by federal law they have to be available for interoperability for anyone and everyone nationwide who may be passing through the state.

 

[west-pac]

You can take it to the bank that all of those sites on that convectional map were converted to do the same job on P25.

Buddy, go to the Google machine, type in "NPSPAC radio", read for a day and a half, then come back to this conversation with your new-found knowledge. With any luck you won't sound like a fool then.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

I know its a fact that you definitely hear all the Counties I listed above on the Monon site as Indianabrad said 24/7, whether that's because there's always radios from each of those counties affiliate with it all the time or whatever it is, I have no clue.

All I can again say, it does for sure broadcast all the counties around the area on it, thats for certain, how it does it, why it does it, I don't really know but it definitely does.

 

[usswood]

It's not just the radios in the area, whatever agency is using that tower as a primary for it's dispatch consoles is pulling whatever those consoles have selected talk-groups on their radio lineup also!

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

It's not just the radios in the area, whatever agency is using that tower as a primary for it's dispatch consoles is pulling whatever those consoles have selected talk-groups on their radio lineup also!

I think all the counties in that area have their own tower that dispatch consoles are on, that's why I thought it was probably just radios that affiliate with it, more specifically the units, I think that's likely, but maybe it is a main site to carry the traffic in the area, or just its position that makes it perfect to get radios from the units in the counties to affiliate with it, I don't know

Cause like Newton County Dispatch has the Morocco tower they are on, Jasper County Dispatch the Rensselaer tower cause its close to the new jail North of Rensselaer on 231, Pulaski County Dispatch the Winamac tower, White County Dispatch most likely the Monticello tower but a new tower went up on lake Schafer but I think they use the Monticello still, it be closer to the dispatch.

So really like I said I don't think any Dispatches have the Monon tower as their primary connection.

 

[Indianabrad]

So really like I said I don't think any Dispatches have the Monon tower as their primary connection.

That map I put up of the repeater sites on SAFE-T, each one of those sites works like Monon. Which is nice, because if you can only get the repeater site (like when using a handheld scanner) you can still get 95%+ of the comms in your 5 county area.
I wish I could get the Lafayette repeater site, but I can get Fowler and that gives me ISP Dist 14 so I'm still good. If you notice Dist 14 isn't on Monon very often, only when they are up around the 192 MM on 65 (which is the north end of Dist 14) that they are on Monon. They are on Fowler a lot, because Fowler is in Dist 14. .... Also White county is on Monon all the time as (I would assume as one of their home sites). Which is great for me because I can't get Lake Shafer or Monticello in Rensselaer. ...Also I can't get Hebron/Kouts but I can get Lowell and Porter Co. is repeated off of Lowell (which is the repeater in that area) so I'm also good to go there. ...Also even though Fowler is not a repeater site Fountain/Warren Co. is on Fowler which lets you hear all the way down to Covington & Attica from here.

 

[I_Am_Infinite]

That map I put up of the repeater sites on SAFE-T, each one of those sites works like Monon. Which is nice, because if you can only get the repeater site (like when using a handheld scanner) you can still get 95%+ of the comms in your 5 county area.
I wish I could get the Lafayette repeater site, but I can get Fowler and that gives me ISP Dist 14 so I'm still good. If you notice Dist 14 isn't on Monon very often, only when they are up around the 192 MM on 65 (which is the north end of Dist 14) that they are on Monon. They are on Fowler a lot, because Fowler is in Dist 14. .... Also White county is on Monon all the time as (I would assume as one of their home sites). Which is great for me because I can't get Lake Shafer or Monticello in Rensselaer.

What meant by I don't think any Dispatches have monon as their primary is the Dispatch consoles located mostly at the jails, are in the county seats... Like Winamac, Rensselaer, Monticello, Fowler, Etc... Kentland used to for Newton but I'm pretty sure dispatch was moved to the government center in Morocco, which is literally in the shadow of the Morocco Site. They all hook the Dispatch consoles to the nearest site.

Why I think white county is on monon always is because monon the town is in white county and they have fire and pd units on white counties talk groups.. The monon site is in jasper county I realize this but its not far from monon so the monon units always are affiliated to it because they are so close. Its just perfect position imo to pick up all counties and act as a repeater of all traffic from each of the Counties.

I wish I was more central located but being north end of Newton I can't get Fowler nor Rensselaer site.. I get Monon, Morocco, Lake and Porter.. I love lake because of guaranteed ISP 13 Dispatch cause they use the tower right next to the post as their primary tower, the same wud be great for ISP 14 if you cud get the Lafayette tower. The porter county simulcast allows me to also get laporte county always and starke county at times. I don't get Laporte County, Starke County nor Pulaski County off the Lake County site (Lowell)