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I don't know for sure that this will do P25, DMR or NXDN. All I know is that there is a low band NX-5600(?) deck coming. Which digital modes it has/doesn't have will remain to be seen.
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Kenwood NX-5000 problems, lacks, suggestions and improvements
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I don't know for sure that this will do P25, DMR or NXDN. All I know is that there is a low band NX-5600(?) deck coming. Which digital modes it has/doesn't have will remain to be seen.
Just noticed first automatic reboot on my personal NX-5800. I just paid attention to click heard from speaker and seen dark display for a second. After that radio started normally. Cycle took just ~4 seconds. So, it's not easy to notice - you must be lighting fast! NX-5800 installed as base radio. Power was OK and the rest Kenwood radios, powered from the same PS, was OK. 2.20 firmware. There is NO DMR in radio, just NX+P25. So, reboot issued is not directly related with DMR.
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Thank goodness you saw it! People were starting to think I was imagining it. The no DMR in radio was very crucial information. Until now I was thinking the dmr code was broken and under some circumstances not issuing an expected return to the system and radio reset itself as last desperate recovery. Your new information strongly suggests not dmr. Of course all the code is in radio but not "activated".
Good Catch!
I don't mean to change the direction completely, but I've noticed if I have a wideband channel in the radio, and I modify it using FPP, then the channel is forced narrow again. I know I can't create a wide channel via FPP, but I didn't expect it to change the existing.
As much as I paid for the damn Wideband license and the Front Panel Programming keys, it's kind of ridiculous. Motorola doesn't charge and does the EIDs in an hour...Kenwood charges 100 and it takes 10 days...
As much as I paid for the damn Wideband license and the Front Panel Programming keys, it's kind of ridiculous. Motorola doesn't charge and does the EIDs in an hour...Kenwood charges 100 and it takes 10 days...
I just noticed that, I will send it in. Btw, wideband is a special licence, and only one person can make it.
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Really? That's silly. Why does it need to be specially made? It still needs to go through LMC.
At least now I can have two installs of KPG-D1N at once...a wide and a narrow.
It still would be nice to be able to program wide via FPP. That's what I would use it for the most anyway.
At least now I can have two installs of KPG-D1N at once...a wide and a narrow.
It still would be nice to be able to program wide via FPP. That's what I would use it for the most anyway.
Good input, thanks!
Really? And no, it goes through wide band request mailbox. And it is keyed by the division manager who has to file paperwork to go with it.
It's coded by that one person for a reason. I'm not going to,explain the insides of it, that's how the system works, that's how I have to follow the rules when I submit the license requests to them.
And yes, if you run 2 instances of D1 that would be true.
Now, if your hard drive begins to fail, you better uninstall the wide band and get it off there. They WILL NOT recover a crashed wide band license. I can recover regular D1, D3 licenses, but not wide band. And dealer prices vary for the wide, if you got it for 100, good job, dealer lost money on that sell.
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It's coded by that one person for a reason. I'm not going to,explain the insides of it, that's how the system works, that's how I have to follow the rules when I submit the license requests to them.
And yes, if you run 2 instances of D1 that would be true.
Now, if your hard drive begins to fail, you better uninstall the wide band and get it off there. They WILL NOT recover a crashed wide band license. I can recover regular D1, D3 licenses, but not wide band. And dealer prices vary for the wide, if you got it for 100, good job, dealer lost money on that sell.
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I am a dealer. I did go through the whole process and it literally took the ten days Raul said it would. Compared to me ordering 20 of each Motorola ID for $0 painlessly, this was a hassle. At least it's a per-computer license and not per-radio license.
Don't come at me with facts and logic--I want to complain!
Don't come at me with facts and logic--I want to complain!
R.G. is who to complain to then. I can't go above him, I could, but not worth lossing the dealership over it.
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Export/Import Feature
Currently, this is my biggest gripe with KPG-D1N. Maybe I'm missing something because all I can see is HTML export (which is fairly useless when it comes to programming these things). I was able to import an itm file from other kenwoods I've built but that only gets me channels and zones (without alpha tags for some reason).
Any suggestions on this? What I'm really trying to do is export from a 5200 (HT) so I can upload to a 5700 (mobile). In the meantime, I've got two instances of D1 open and I'm copying and pasting one into the other.
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Even with two instances you can't copy paste from one to the other. Tagged NFG.
Currently, this is my biggest gripe with KPG-D1N. Maybe I'm missing something because all I can see is HTML export (which is fairly useless when it comes to programming these things). I was able to import an itm file from other kenwoods I've built but that only gets me channels and zones (without alpha tags for some reason).
Any suggestions on this? What I'm really trying to do is export from a 5200 (HT) so I can upload to a 5700 (mobile). In the meantime, I've got two instances of D1 open and I'm copying and pasting one into the other.
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Even with two instances you can't copy paste from one to the other. Tagged NFG.
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If they have the same digital formats (nxdn/p-25) in both, all you have to do is change the model number in the KPG and fix your buttons and write. I've done this between my 5700 and 5200.
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PeterGV
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Hi Folks,
I came to this thread (I read every single post) after searching for info about any radio that does P25 conventional and DMR, and finding the NX-5700.
I’m a ham who has local DMR and analog FM repeaters, and I have numerous P25 conventional public safety channels that I need to monitor.
I own a bunch of Motorola P25 radios (XTS and XTL 5000’s). I’ve never owned a Kenwood LMR radio, though I’ve had several Kenwood ham radios.
I have no problem laying out good money for a quality piece of pro gear.
But what I’ve read in this thread has really alarmed me. Basic features that don’t work after more than a year. Complex programming. Poor dealer support.
Do I misunderstand the situation? What’s up?
I want a radio that’ll support and scan P25 conventional channels, channels that have combined P25/analog traffic, channels that are combined P25 voice and data, DMR repeater channels on the DMARC and DCI networks, and analog wide and narrow FM.
Can the NX-5700 do this reliably or not? Is it ready for prime time? Or will I be better of sticking with a my XTL-5000s, and taping a cheesy MD-390 on top of it?
I’m looking for guidance, guys. I’ll be seriously PO’ed if I invest time and money in a radio that doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do.
I’m not surprised that Kenwood doesn’t much care about ham use of this radio... Motorola doesn’t care about ham use of their public safety and LMR radios either. But there are a few Moto dealers that are ham friendly, and there’s a big community of Moto ham users (BatLabs, in its hayday, for one). Any such support for hams in Kenwood land? Or is this thread IT? It’s all I’ve been able to find so far.
Thanks for your candid assistance. If you don’t want to post here, I’m good at my call sign at ARRL.NET
TIA,
Peter
K1PGV
Hi Folks,
I came to this thread (I read every single post) after searching for info about any radio that does P25 conventional and DMR, and finding the NX-5700.
I’m a ham who has local DMR and analog FM repeaters, and I have numerous P25 conventional public safety channels that I need to monitor.
I own a bunch of Motorola P25 radios (XTS and XTL 5000’s). I’ve never owned a Kenwood LMR radio, though I’ve had several Kenwood ham radios.
I have no problem laying out good money for a quality piece of pro gear.
But what I’ve read in this thread has really alarmed me. Basic features that don’t work after more than a year. Complex programming. Poor dealer support.
Do I misunderstand the situation? What’s up?
I want a radio that’ll support and scan P25 conventional channels, channels that have combined P25/analog traffic, channels that are combined P25 voice and data, DMR repeater channels on the DMARC and DCI networks, and analog wide and narrow FM.
Can the NX-5700 do this reliably or not? Is it ready for prime time? Or will I be better of sticking with a my XTL-5000s, and taping a cheesy MD-390 on top of it?
I’m looking for guidance, guys. I’ll be seriously PO’ed if I invest time and money in a radio that doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do.
I’m not surprised that Kenwood doesn’t much care about ham use of this radio... Motorola doesn’t care about ham use of their public safety and LMR radios either. But there are a few Moto dealers that are ham friendly, and there’s a big community of Moto ham users (BatLabs, in its hayday, for one). Any such support for hams in Kenwood land? Or is this thread IT? It’s all I’ve been able to find so far.
Thanks for your candid assistance. If you don’t want to post here, I’m good at my call sign at ARRL.NET
TIA,
Peter
K1PGV
Peter, Kenwood is not bad, but as was stated many times:
1. There is no direct end users support
2. There is no any online support resource, like MOL; To get something new, you have to push your dealer.
3. There are many bugs, which do not bother anyone in Kenwood
4. There are some features that works NOT the same way as in Motorola and other major vendors (like scan in digital modes). Or missed features (like emphasis and analog EQ).
5. Also, radios shows lockups and reboots and both DMR and P25 modes. Not very often, but it happens and I've personally seen them. And looks like Kenwood can't fight it. Because they promised to resolve in a few releases, but actually not.
6. Also Kenwood prefer to do not document their updated software and firmware. What's new files often missed or supplied from half year old version. Detailed descriptions are only released on major holidays, about once a year. It's absolutely impossible for Kenwood to create document like Release notes.
In general, this is all that awaits you. The rest is tolerable.
1. There is no direct end users support
2. There is no any online support resource, like MOL; To get something new, you have to push your dealer.
3. There are many bugs, which do not bother anyone in Kenwood
4. There are some features that works NOT the same way as in Motorola and other major vendors (like scan in digital modes). Or missed features (like emphasis and analog EQ).
5. Also, radios shows lockups and reboots and both DMR and P25 modes. Not very often, but it happens and I've personally seen them. And looks like Kenwood can't fight it. Because they promised to resolve in a few releases, but actually not.
6. Also Kenwood prefer to do not document their updated software and firmware. What's new files often missed or supplied from half year old version. Detailed descriptions are only released on major holidays, about once a year. It's absolutely impossible for Kenwood to create document like Release notes.
In general, this is all that awaits you. The rest is tolerable.
I would advise you to listen to KD4EFM as the reliable source in this forum for all things Kenwood. Another one or two make statements as if they are fact but have been proven to be incorrect. Be careful who you rely on when forming your opinion. KD4EFM is your guy to listen to. mmckenna is another reliable source.
My suggestion is to no not listen to KD4EFM, or listen limitedly (always taking into account who he is). He is not bad guy, I believe, but official Kenwood dealer and must keep mouth shut. He will never tell truth and always will tell you the same things like voice from recorder - this radio not for hams, all work as described, no any reboots/you did something wrong, do not use scan (it's dangerous!), try to reprogram your radio by new and genuine programming cable, and other useless things. He is dealer and sell Kenwood. He will never criticize Kenwood products, because he is materially interested and constrained by agreement with JVC-Kenwood.
A simple analogy. Will the banker tell you about the low rating of the bank? Will your employer tell about real the problems of the company? Will the government tell you about its failures? No no no. It's the same here.
Only independent people will tell you the truth. Unfortunately, there is a group of people who are not interested in this. And who spread lies to hide flaws or simply because they do not have the proper qualifications (a lot of people just use 5K for 1 channel, got it in the execution of duties, never worked with other LMR equipment, did not pass LMR courses, etc.).
And one more thing. No one item from this thread has been refuted. Because all this is true, and there is no other way to disprove anything, except to refine the product.
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I always enjoy starting a Monday with a good laugh. 
In all seriousness, KD4EFM is the authority - he's honest and helpful. Period. I've dealt with him directly, on this forum and off.
For all who read this thread, the advice to listen to and/or talk with EFM is for you. If you choose not to that is your choice. As with most any product, dealing directly with a real dealer is the way to go.
In all seriousness, KD4EFM is the authority - he's honest and helpful. Period. I've dealt with him directly, on this forum and off.
For all who read this thread, the advice to listen to and/or talk with EFM is for you. If you choose not to that is your choice. As with most any product, dealing directly with a real dealer is the way to go.
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