BCDx36HP Update 1.17.00

[werinshades]

Yesterday I had an issue where none of the three white buttons (System, Dept, Scan) would respond to a keypress. They would only respond after multiple presses and after 10 seconds or so. Power cycling the radio fixed the issue. I don't know whether this has anything to do with FW 1.17.0 or not. (BCD436).

Responding better this morning but never power-cycled it yesterday. I am seeing this on the 536.

 

[Jay911]

Here's an issue I'm having:

When I hold on a multi-site MotoTRBO Connect Plus system in ID Search mode (so HOLD+SYS), not holding on a specific talkgroup, it will scan though all sites, and then move onto the first system in the favorite list.

Everybody who's replied to you so far has apparently missed the bolded part of your quote above.

This is indeed a bug - once you hold on a system, as you depicted in your video, the scanner should not move off that system in any way.

I remember this bug from years back - it was in one of the HomePatrol models, but I can't recall if it was the HP series or the x36 series. I was reasonably sure it was quashed, though.

For those who are following this sub-thread:

User has multiple systems in his FL. Let's call them systems 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the sake of argument.

User holds on system 3 by pressing SYSTEM twice while it is on-screen during the scan process.

Scanner holds on system 3 and makes one pass through scanning each site that is in range.

Scanner then moves to system 1, still in system hold mode.

This is a problem with the logic in the "have I scanned all the sites in this system, if yes, then move on to the next system" part of the scanner's code. If system hold is on, it should return to this system, not move to another system.

 

[jdeverett]

I have to say, I now love my 436 and 536 again. I do believe the P25 simulcast has gotten better. Not as good as the unication pager but sounds better than the whistler and I can finally hear my PD again.





I have to agree NOT as good as my G5 but WAY better on P25 (at least my local system), especially P2. At least for me the audio seems much more evened out and clearer on my systems. DMR is also much improved for me, I have everything here CON, CAP, and Tier 3, much better decode, especially the CAP system I listen to. Well done Paul and Uniden!

Totally agree, I get giddy when my City PD talk group alerts go off. I miss a few coms, but something is better then nothing. Before the upgraded firmware, I was not receiving anything. Obviously the firmware updates are going in the right direction. Look forward to the new toy or toys coming. By the way keeping my 436 and 536 when the new ones hit. The system monitored is the Sarasota County FL P25 Phase1 network with heavy simulcast. Thank you for the update!


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[werinshades]

Everybody who's replied to you so far has apparently missed the bolded part of your quote above.

This is indeed a bug - once you hold on a system, as you depicted in your video, the scanner should not move off that system in any way.

I remember this bug from years back - it was in one of the HomePatrol models, but I can't recall if it was the HP series or the x36 series. I was reasonably sure it was quashed, though.

For those who are following this sub-thread:

User has multiple systems in his FL. Let's call them systems 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the sake of argument.

User holds on system 3 by pressing SYSTEM twice while it is on-screen during the scan process.

Scanner holds on system 3 and makes one pass through scanning each site that is in range.

Scanner then moves to system 1, still in system hold mode.

This is a problem with the logic in the "have I scanned all the sites in this system, if yes, then move on to the next system" part of the scanner's code. If system hold is on, it should return to this system, not move to another system.

I do understand Jay. System Hold scans the Sites. If I Hold on System 1 in FL 6 (I just duplicated this), it Scans both Sites I have assigned to System 1 only. (I have 4 Systems set up in FL 6 currently). I'm not so sure it's a bug but a programming issue?

Just to add...System 1 is NXDN, System 2 is One Channel P25, System 3 is One Channel DMR, System 4 is Analog. Watching now...System Hold on NXDN, both Sites are scanning...2,3,4 are not scanning. Is this what you're referring to?

 

[Jay911]

I do understand Jay. System Hold scans the Sites. If I Hold on System 1 in FL 6 (I just duplicated this), it Scans both Sites I have assigned to System 1 only. (I have 4 Systems set up in FL 6 currently). I'm not so sure it's a bug but a programming issue?

System hold should stay on a single system. In mcjones' video and description, after it finished scanning all the sites on the system it was holding on, it changed systems to the first system in his favorites list. That's a bug, not programming.

 

[jasonhouk]

Here's an issue I'm having:

When I hold on a multi-site MotoTRBO Connect Plus system in ID Search mode (so HOLD+SYS), not holding on a specific talkgroup, it will scan though all sites, and then move onto the first system in the favorite list.

It also will only let me HOLD+SYS+turn the knob to switch systems between the first two systems in the favorites list.

This list has only DMR One Frequency and MotoTRBO systems in it, for a total of 10 systems in the list.

I have F/W 1.17.00, although this was also an issue on 1.15.00. I didn't notice it happening on 1.16.00.

I have made a video for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnx5wdrksxg

Can you zip and post just the hpe. file for that favorite list you're having the issues with?

Houk

 

[vocoder]

When the scanner is holding on an idas system and displays "ids", should it display nx4 too?
Or is that a combo?

Thanks

 

[jonwienke]

No. It will display IDS for IDAS and NX4 for other 4800bps NXDN. One or the other, not both.

 

[vocoder]

No. It will display IDS for IDAS and NX4 for other 4800bps NXDN. One or the other, not both.

Ok
But it does display both. One and then the other
First nx4 and then ids!
Hmm

 

[jonwienke]

Everybody who's replied to you so far has apparently missed the bolded part of your quote above.

This is indeed a bug - once you hold on a system, as you depicted in your video, the scanner should not move off that system in any way.

I haven't missed anything.

I'm not convinced its a firmware bug, because I'm not able to replicate it on any DMR system in any of my favorite lists.

I think it's more likely the problem is due to a failing SD card than a firmware bug. Let's see if it persists after the OP tries a new card before jumping to confusions.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Has anyone noticed odd (sorta chirping) behavior on UID's with an alert tone set?
Just started with FW 1.17.00


Plus no improvement on P25 PH2 UID's reliably being displayed. PH1 works great.

I'm glad you brought this up. Yes. I actually saw this happening on mine. I have a K9 unit ID in my list of Radio ID's and it has an alert tone programmed to it as well.

Last night when he came on the air I couldn't understand anything he said. He went all digital as they say. The scanner locked up for a moment. I couldn't move the scanner forward by turning the dial.

Any other units talking and this didn't happen. I first noticed it yesterday after I was able to get the latest update. Other then that I haven't particularly noticed any other things.

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[IdleMonitor]

And is there an alert tone on the UID, the TG, or both? And are they the same tone?

In my case. The tone is on the RID not the talkgroup they were on.

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[jonwienke]

Ok
But it does display both.
First nx4 and then ids!
Hmm

It's displaying NX4 until it sees IDAS-specific data, then it shows IDS. But its not going to display both at the same time.

 

[vocoder]

Nope
Cannot display both at the same time

 

[Voyager]

I have to say, I now love my 436 and 536 again. I do believe the P25 simulcast has gotten better. Not as good as the unication pager but sounds better than the whistler and I can finally hear my PD again.

It will never be as good as the Unication. Firmware updates to not affect hardware.

 

[INDY72]

It's displaying NX4 until it sees IDAS-specific data, then it shows IDS. But its not going to display both at the same time.

You need to ask a question here folks: IS THIS ON ONE SYSTEM? If it is, then the issues is: How is it both? Can it be both? Can a SINGLE system be an iDAS, and NexEDGE? If NOT, then why is it saying that the ONE system is both? Why would the scanner say its NexEDGE 4800 and an iDAS system?

If an NXDN system can support both formats (NexEDGE and iDAS) then that opens the door for us to look deeper into adding that flavor type to our DB formats. If not, then there IS some issue here with the firmware that needs looked at.

 

[K2KOH]

It will never be as good as the Unication. Firmware updates to not affect hardware.

Maybe not, but to be honest, my 536 and 436 are doing better on the Central NY system, which is all simulcast. I only have an issue with Madison County simulcast. Quite frankly, Onondaga's simucast sucked royally. Friday on my way to the North Country, I had zero problem with it, and the Oswego simulcast.

 

[werinshades]

Here's an issue I'm having:

When I hold on a multi-site MotoTRBO Connect Plus system in ID Search mode (so HOLD+SYS), not holding on a specific talkgroup, it will scan though all sites, and then move onto the first system in the favorite list.

It also will only let me HOLD+SYS+turn the knob to switch systems between the first two systems in the favorites list.

This list has only DMR One Frequency and MotoTRBO systems in it, for a total of 10 systems in the list.

I have F/W 1.17.00, although this was also an issue on 1.15.00. I didn't notice it happening on 1.16.00.

I have made a video for an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnx5wdrksxg

Sorry if I wasn't clear. When I hold on a specific Connect Plus multi-site system programmed in my favorite list, it doesn't keep the hold, instead it will scan all sites on the Connect Plus system I intended to hold on, but then will go and hold on the first system in the favorites list after the last site is scanned.

From the video, the scanner should HOLD on the Fisher Wireless TeamTalk system in my scanner, and keep on cycling through all the sites in the system during the HOLD. Instead, when I HOLD on the Fisher Wireless TeamTalk system, the scanner will cycle through all the sites, but after the last programmed site, instead of cycling back through the sites as it should, the scanner will change systems and will hold on the Arden Fair Mall system (a single site Capacity Plus system, also the first system in the favorite list), even though it was "told" to HOLD on the Fisher Wireless TeamTalk system.

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A system programmed in with multiple sites is still one system. If you want to hold a particular site in the system you'll press FNC Dept/Site to achieve the result I think you're after.

When only holding system it is by design multiple site will be scanned. Use location control or Site QK's to enable/disable sites you want to receive.

Houk

Everybody who's replied to you so far has apparently missed the bolded part of your quote above.

This is indeed a bug - once you hold on a system, as you depicted in your video, the scanner should not move off that system in any way.

I remember this bug from years back - it was in one of the HomePatrol models, but I can't recall if it was the HP series or the x36 series. I was reasonably sure it was quashed, though.

For those who are following this sub-thread:

User has multiple systems in his FL. Let's call them systems 1, 2, 3, and 4 for the sake of argument.

User holds on system 3 by pressing SYSTEM twice while it is on-screen during the scan process.

Scanner holds on system 3 and makes one pass through scanning each site that is in range.

Scanner then moves to system 1, still in system hold mode.

This is a problem with the logic in the "have I scanned all the sites in this system, if yes, then move on to the next system" part of the scanner's code. If system hold is on, it should return to this system, not move to another system.

I do understand Jay. System Hold scans the Sites. If I Hold on System 1 in FL 6 (I just duplicated this), it Scans both Sites I have assigned to System 1 only. (I have 4 Systems set up in FL 6 currently). I'm not so sure it's a bug but a programming issue?

Just to add...System 1 is NXDN, System 2 is One Channel P25, System 3 is One Channel DMR, System 4 is Analog. Watching now...System Hold on NXDN, both Sites are scanning...2,3,4 are not scanning. Is this what you're referring to?

System hold should stay on a single system. In mcjones' video and description, after it finished scanning all the sites on the system it was holding on, it changed systems to the first system in his favorites list. That's a bug, not programming.

I quoted all the pertinent posts to follow along. I was able to duplicate this in one of my systems where I have 2 Systems assigned 1 SQK.

On FL 5 System 1, I have a CAP+ system. Also on FL 5-System 1 I have a One Channel DMR system set up because...well that's how the radios are set up.

I just held System 1 and the CAP+ System and One Channel DMR system were being sampled, along with the Site(s). This mimicked what your scanner was doing in the video.

So...I was wondering if both Systems were assigned the same System number under FL 6? (FL-6 SQ 3 if I remember correctly) This is why I said it could be a programming issue.

 

[Jay911]

That could explain why I'm not experiencing it - I don't use quick key assignments, my systems don't have any quick keys assigned at all.

I'll assign quick keys to a bunch and get back to the thread after I try it.

However, even if this does prove to be the issue, while technically speaking it'd be a "programming" related problem, it still would be a bug because system hold should hold on one system, not all systems with the same system quick key.

 

[werinshades]

That could explain why I'm not experiencing it - I don't use quick key assignments, my systems don't have any quick keys assigned at all.

I'll assign quick keys to a bunch and get back to the thread after I try it.

However, even if this does prove to be the issue, while technically speaking it'd be a "programming" related problem, it still would be a bug because system hold should hold on one system, not all systems with the same system quick key.

Not really a bug, just a preference. With the new firmware, the scanner scans all the Sites assigned to a System so that's why he's seeing what he's seeing. If you have decided to assign 2 Systems the same SQK number and you don't like the way it scans, then a quick program change will alleviate the issue.