DSDPlus DSD+ 2.509 Fastlane Released, Small Update

[RaleighGuy]

yes i checked, i was virtually connecting to his computer as a last resort

What system is this?

 

[WX4JCW]

Ohio Marcs, Summit County Simulcast

my setup on the same site is running fine, and i have 3459 captures so far

 

[cg]

couple thoughts:
Try deleting a couple regular ones and see what comes back
Give him a couple IDs to replace them with and see if they get edited back to underscores

 

[slicerwizard]

So i have been trying to help a guy who is having some issues, all his ID Aliases are (_________________) now i am not having that issue and they are not even partially decoding. on his setup

things we have checked
1. Antivirus/Firewall/Router - I still think this is an issue, we added the ports we know about and did get the server upload message but no download message.
2. Signal strength, his signal was going through the roof, we turned that down.

any other suggestions

Did you check the console log and event log for alias server related activity?

 

[bravo14]

Is he running 509 ? Make sure he is.

last week I was running laptop due to bands open up. I forgot to update to the 2.509 so I did that few mints ago. Now we should see Lee County FL be added to the list.

 

[WX4JCW]

we shall look into all that

 

[bravo14]

I see Marion & Lee County is already updated.

 

[bravo14]

I wonder if they will have OTA for Con+ & Cap+ systems down the road?

 

[slicerwizard]

Pretty sure I've seen some DMR talker alias decodes in the past. Don't know if they were from DMR standard talker alias messages or some Motorola-specific messages.

 

[WX4JCW]

So i have captured about 60% of Summit Co Ohio, saying that I decided to perform an experiment to work around not being able to lock out talkgroups when Alias Priority is enabled and to find less used RID Aliases faster.

I found a cool program called Modern CSV, i import the DSDplus.radios file and remove all the unneccesary rows (Extra data DSD adds) until i just have the good data

I set all the priorities of the un decoded RID's to High, then in DSDPlus i set the Call Priority to "Group Calls Including Radio Priority"

the last step in Modern CSV is to select all the cells and in the menu use "Data-Trim Cells" and "Remove Etraneous Cells and Columns"
then in Notepad ++ copy the data from that CSV to a Blank radios file

This also makes it easier to export the Aliases to any other radio you have - SDS100,200,Unitrunker,APX's etc

 

[bravo14]

So i have captured about 60% of Summit Co Ohio, saying that I decided to perform an experiment to work around not being able to lock out talkgroups when Alias Priority is enabled and to find less used RID Aliases faster.

I found a cool program called Modern CSV, i import the DSDplus.radios file and remove all the unneccesary rows (Extra data DSD adds) until i just have the good data

I set all the priorities of the un decoded RID's to High, then in DSDPlus i set the Call Priority to "Group Calls Including Radio Priority"

the last step in Modern CSV is to select all the cells and in the menu use "Data-Trim Cells" and "Remove Etraneous Cells and Columns"
then in Notepad ++ copy the data from that CSV to a Blank radios file

This also makes it easier to export the Aliases to any other radio you have - SDS100,200,Unitrunker,APX's etc

A few years ago when I was in living in a different area, I did something like what you did for excel. I took out a few things and made my own RID so when I put the info in for the sds 100/200. It was less typing and filling in the info for naming the rid. Since than I can edit both files (Radios & Excel) to be updated.

 

[WX4JCW]

Just a heads up, some of the system admins are not thrilled this information is out, I had a nice cordial conversation with who I am assuming is the sysadmin for Summit County, OH on friday as he contacted me on thursday night, this morning the Aliases appeared to be turned off, so keep this in mind.

while it sucks they decided to do this, It doesnt suprise me.

 

[BM82557]

There are some differences as to what DSDPlus 2.509 and SDRTrunk 6.1 Final decode during the same transmission --

 

[RaleighGuy]

Just a heads up, some of the system admins are not thrilled this information is out, I had a nice cordial conversation with who I am assuming is the sysadmin for Summit County, OH on friday as he contacted me on thursday night, this morning the Aliases appeared to be turned off, so keep this in mind.

while it sucks they decided to do this, It doesnt suprise me.

Not surprising, the more details people discuss the details, and post lists of decodes, the more sysadmins will see this and shut it off. There have been almost 150 posts in this thread alone over the past month and most of them are not trouble shooting requests.

Everyone wants to complain about encryption, and features no longer available on a large scale, but slow to realize all the posts and discussions about these things are what opens eyes and close monitoring/capture opportunities.

 

[mtindor]

There are some differences as to what DSDPlus 2.509 and SDRTrunk 6.1 Final decode during the same transmission --

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I have an experienced that. I’ve got tons and tons of 14 characters from.WVSIRN.

 

[chrismol1]

Just a heads up, some of the system admins are not thrilled this information is out, I had a nice cordial conversation with who I am assuming is the sysadmin for Summit County, OH on friday as he contacted me on thursday night, this morning the Aliases appeared to be turned off, so keep this in mind.

while it sucks they decided to do this, It doesnt suprise me.

I saw this coming as soon as this project was undertaken. I've had my own Motorola APX radio decoding these alias for years, many radios personally assigned with names. I totally expect a firmware update at some point to encrypt aliases if the issue is pushed. Everyone saw encrypting channels because of streams , but I didn't think a small niche thing such as these SDR softwares would have it this quick, but as we know, lots of sysadmins on here

 

[exkalibur]

Just a heads up, some of the system admins are not thrilled this information is out, I had a nice cordial conversation with who I am assuming is the sysadmin for Summit County, OH on friday as he contacted me on thursday night, this morning the Aliases appeared to be turned off, so keep this in mind.

while it sucks they decided to do this, It doesnt suprise me.

They've always known it's out there. They're able to encrypt the data. By not doing so, they're choosing to make it available to everyone. Doesn't matter if they're unhappy; it's their choice to put it out there. It's something subscriber gear has been able to do for years.

 

[exkalibur]

I saw this coming as soon as this project was undertaken. I've had my own Motorola APX radio decoding these alias for years, many radios personally assigned with names. I totally expect a firmware update at some point to encrypt aliases if the issue is pushed. Everyone saw encrypting channels because of streams , but I didn't think a small niche thing such as these SDR softwares would have it this quick, but as we know, lots of sysadmins on here

Encrypted aliases has always been an option. Encrypted control channels have been an option. System admins cannot cry foil when the tools to protect this have been around for a long time.

 

[K7UDZ]

There are some differences as to what DSDPlus 2.509 and SDRTrunk 6.1 Final decode during the same transmission --

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This is a known detail, I believe it to be a bug in DSD+’s online decoding process.

14 character aliases decode correctly on SDRtrunk.

 

[redbeard]

Encrypted aliases has always been an option. Encrypted control channels have been an option. System admins cannot cry foil when the tools to protect this have been around for a long time.

I'm not in the industry but I don't think either of those things is a current option nor written into any standard as of yet. We are only now seeing systems implementing LLA. LLE is not a thing yet, and by design neither is encrypted aliases because they do not use voice or data frames that can be run through the encryption algos.